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Old 09-26-2019, 05:31 PM   #1
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I took my car in to get the engine rebuilt and the dude gave me some line about he can't get the parts because they aren't made anymore. Which I don't really believe. Maybe I should just do it myself.

I know there are rebuild kits out there. What should I get if I decide to do this myself?

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Old 09-26-2019, 07:20 PM   #2
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I took my car in to get the engine rebuilt and the dude gave me some line about he can't get the parts because they aren't made anymore. Which I don't really believe. Maybe I should just do it myself.

I know there are rebuild kits out there. What should I get if I decide to do this myself?
Was this the car you lost your virginity in? Its much cheaper to just junk it and get another Saturn with less miles.
If you want to rebuild it, its a labor of love but won't ever make financial sense.

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Old 09-26-2019, 07:50 PM   #3
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I did not lose my virginity in my Saturn but I found the rebuild worthwhile.
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=230898

You just need a better machine shop. Run, don't walk away from the current one.

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Old 09-26-2019, 07:58 PM   #4
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I did not lose my virginity in my Saturn but I found the rebuild worthwhile.
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=230898

You just need a better machine shop. Run, don't walk away from the current one.
I saw your pictures. What the heck did you do? Looks like you grafted the tail of a V tail Bo on the body of a Cherokee.

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Old 09-27-2019, 02:33 AM   #5
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Was this the car you lost your virginity in? Its much cheaper to just junk it and get another Saturn with less miles.
If you want to rebuild it, its a labor of love but won't ever make financial sense.

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Yes I know this. I'm an accountant.

Now about those parts...

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Old 09-27-2019, 06:20 AM   #6
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It's a Sonex Waiex.
https://www.sonexaircraft.com

If you read the threads besides mine, some people use Cleggs.
https://www.cleggengine.com/engine-r...urn-1-9l-71341

The machine shop got me an enginetech kit. I specified silv-o-lite pistons.
https://enginetech.com

Rock Auto also has parts, probably including a full rebuild kit.

My engine rebuild was $1400. Not hard to get a good return on an engine rebuild, assuming you mean to keep it. A friend had his rebuilt and paid for all the work, and that was $5000. Ouch!

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Old 09-27-2019, 01:12 PM   #7
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My engine rebuild was $1400. Not hard to get a good return on an engine rebuild, assuming you mean to keep it. A friend had his rebuilt and paid for all the work, and that was $5000. Ouch!
Check out LKQ too. I bought an engine from them for $800 and have about 100,000 on it now. Runs through a quart about every 2,000 miles which isn't too far from factory original

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Old 09-27-2019, 01:46 PM   #8
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I'll second Clegg.... great folks to work with

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Old 09-27-2019, 04:33 PM   #9
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Thanks for the info guys!

Clegg's looks like the way to go since they seem to make everything easy to put together.


I see they have overbore options.

Has anyone tried that with their S-Series?

Aside from a decrease in fuel efficiency are there any downsides to going .20 over?

Does it deliver any appreciable increase in power?

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Mine was bored up one size. No noticable change in power or economy.

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Old 09-27-2019, 05:40 PM   #11
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Before you buy parts you should take it apart and have the block and crank professionaly measured. The reason you work through a quality machine shop is that they will get the correct parts for you at a lower cost then you can do this yourself IF you are going to do the final assembly.

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Your center thrust bearing is likely to be scored and out of tolerance. You can find GM replacement crankshafts, but they are pricey. I paid $463 for just my crankshaft.

Find a better machine shop. Usually when they give you a line like what you have been given, it translates to "I don't want to deal with your engine/car."

Just an FYI, GM dealerships hate dealing with Saturns as well.

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Old 09-28-2019, 10:39 PM   #13
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I don't know if it would be more economical than that $463, but crank surfaces can be welded and ground for repair.

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I figured they were giving me a line.And I do plan to go through a machine shop. I probably will not do final assembly myself for two reasons 1. I haven't got the experience or equipment to do it right the first time ( and I don't want there to be a second time) and 2. I don'wanna.

I may do the engine pull and install myself. Though I don't want to do that either.

Not sure how to find a quality machine shop since I can't trust online reviews from consumers, since consumers generally don't know squat about squat.

Any suggestions on finding a quality machine shop or recommendations in my area?

I'm in SoCal near Pomona.

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A good used crank is about 125.00 and in most cases all it needs is polished, or you could grind it if you wanted.

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If your car was never run low on oil, and had regular oil changes, the crank is very likely fine. My cylinders ended up needing a bore up a size. No more oil consumption with my new pistons.

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A good used crank is about 125.00 and in most cases all it needs is polished, or you could grind it if you wanted.
Looks like I can get an Enginetech reman for around $200 if I needed to.

Now I see the need for a good machine shop. I need someone who has the skill and tools to measure the crankshaft. Then once that is all measured and if necessary properly grinded, order parts to fit the crankshaft.

Is that correct?

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Measure the block and if still good bore for new cylinders that will fit your new pistons. All aluminum should be boiled out so you start clean. Use Silv-O-Lite pistons and silicone-aluminum bearings, molly rings.

These threads are NOT identical and the info in them catn turn out to be very critical. Some of the part recommendations regarding timing sets are no longer valid.

Head replacement and chain remove-replace
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=168496

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I need someone who has the skill and tools to measure the crankshaft. Then once that is all measured and if necessary properly grinded, order parts to fit the crankshaft.

Is that correct?
Exactly! Also the cylinder bores.

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Always have the block boiled out so you find out if any liners are loose BEFORE you rebuild it and fill the crankcase full of antifreeze.

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