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Old 04-20-2012, 12:59 AM   #1
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those of you who have been around for a bit will probably remember Doris and me.
today was the end of an era, I traded Doris in for a '93 F-150, as i've been really wanting/needing a truck for a while, and it was getting harder and harder to pretend that Doris was.

just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all the help over the years.

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You are going to have a hard time getting 30+ MPG out of a truck...

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Old 04-20-2012, 06:35 AM   #3
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All good things must come to an end.

I've got a '95 F150 myself, and love the earlier body style. Plenty of good truck forums out there too.

Did you get a reasonable trade for Doris?

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F150 prior to 1996 best truck ever. Especially that old 300 cu in straight six and manual trans. Lotsa torque not a revver but real truck torque you could use. And 25 MPG EASY!

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You are going to have a hard time getting 30+ MPG out of a truck...
THIS. With all the money I save on gas, I could rent a truck when needed. But usually only have to borrow one.

I know some people 'need' trucks more than others. I hope you don't regret your move. Good luck.

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Old 04-20-2012, 12:29 PM   #7
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F150 prior to 1996 best truck ever. Especially that old 300 cu in straight six and manual trans. Lotsa torque not a revver but real truck torque you could use. And 25 MPG EASY!
We sold my wife's cancer-ridden '83 F150 solely on the 300 engine. Guy called, had me put the phone under the hood near the engine, started it up, and he said "sold", sight-unseen, just based on the sound. Currently running two Powerstrokes of that body style ("OBS"); with 3.55 gearing, intake and exhaust upgrades and a chip, you can tickle 25MPG, and that's with a 3/4-ton 4x4.

Good to hear from you, Ben. Watch the cancer on that F150! (Oh wait, nothing ever rusts in the PNW, right? ) www.ford-trucks.com seems to be the best all-around Ford truck forum site, for gassers, diesels, old, new, etc.

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I remember you for sure.
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Doris and me..
From the cab of your Ford pick-up you'll be able to get a good look at all the S-Series and pick out you next Doris

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...you can tickle 25MPG, and that's with a 3/4-ton 4x4....
You got my attention. Best I ever got was 19
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:39 PM   #10
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It was actually a straight across trade.

And its not an inline 6...its a 5.8 liter v8.

I'm sure I'll miss Doris, but I only have a 4 mile commute these days, and I've been needing a truck more and more these days.

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Old 04-20-2012, 04:22 PM   #11
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That 351 can be a real gas hog... Pickup trucks tend to turn into road going dumpsters..

You will have fun with the truck though.

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You got my attention. Best I ever got was 19
(currently in process of plugging the plug back in under the driver's rocker cover...and painting anything I can't salute)
I see a wide range of mileage reported on the various forums. Lot of fellas like to drive these trucks in a, er, spirited manner. IIRC, yours is/was a one-ton, right? That would make a difference. And if it was an automatic, OBS, that E4OD was not a very efficient tranny. And yes, the condition of those UVC harnesses and the connectors in the gaskes are critical (n.b.: these trucks have the injectors and glow plugs inside the valve train, under the valve covers; the gaskets have the electrical connectors built into them).

One thing that surprises me is that our extended cab truck gets about 2 MPG (10%) less than the regular cab; I don't think there's more than about 200-300 lb weight difference. The RC truck gets 22-22.5, stock except for the intake. A chip tuned for economy (and yes, the multi-setting chips for these trucks really do interact with the PCM) should get another 1 MPG, and then there's that stoopid pancake-flat exhaust downpipe. 3" round aftermarket DP usu. nets another +1 MPG; more if anything unfortunate were to accidentally happen to the cat.....

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I remember you... thanks for your assistance in my early saturnfans days man

Good luck with the Eff-One-Fitty.... (You still haven't told us if it's an auto-tragic or a stick...)

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It was actually a straight across trade.

And its not an inline 6...its a 5.8 liter v8.

I'm sure I'll miss Doris, but I only have a 4 mile commute these days, and I've been needing a truck more and more these days.
One good thing is that you can increase your MPG return on the older trucks fairly easily. Underdrive pulleys and/or electric fans, free flowing exhaust, ignition mods, etc all make a difference on these trucks. I'd have to look back at my number for exacts but I got in the range of 18% better mileage on my 302 powered truck doing such things, and have greater torque and a little more top end HP as well.

Ditto on a proper street tuned chip. I ran a custom tuned Superchip for a while and the difference in MPG more than made up for the cost delta running premium... and that was back when gas was cheaper and the price difference wasn't much less than it is now.

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Good luck with the Eff-One-Fitty.... (You still haven't told us if it's an auto-tragic or a stick...)
it's the e4od oldnuc mentioned (auto tragic, the biggest thing i don't like about it)

i'm already getting to go neck-deep into working on it, and wow... distributed v8s are a whole world away from saturns. and the truck forum guys are not nearly as friendly as the guys here.


thanks for the tip on the forum, madpogue. i'm on another forum right now trying to diagnose a no-start (i'm a member over there as well, but my computer hated that website when my no-start...erm...started...), hopefully that'll all be wrapped up tomorrow, i think i have enough info on it now.

trading out doris was a hard decision, but i think the truck will turn out to be a good direction for me, if i figure out this no-start.

it does need a name, though (open to suggestions!), and a fresh coat of paint (which i've already started on)


and almost no rust on it so far, there are a couple minor spots where the paint is flaked off from a canopy installed by the PO, but i'll get to them soon.

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more if anything unfortunate were to accidentally happen to the cat.....
but how would i know????? there's no rear o2 sensor, so it wouldn't throw a code or anything!


some things i've noticed so far:
my muffler is about the same size as the block from doris.

spark plug/wire changes aren't nearly as easy

fuel filter was only $12.99

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it's the e4od oldnuc mentioned (auto tragic, the biggest thing i don't like about it)

i'm already getting to go neck-deep into working on it, and wow... distributed v8s are a whole world away from saturns. and the truck forum guys are not nearly as friendly as the guys here.

The E4OD is a fairly strong tranny. Some of the blower 1st Gen Lightnings were pumping out 450-500 HP through them.

As for that distributor, just remember you still have computer control with it. You can alter your base timing by the old school method though.

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it's the e4od oldnuc mentioned (auto tragic, the biggest thing i don't like about it)
Like any electronic tranny, the E4OD can be lots of fun when it comes to external sensors. Example - keep th brake lights working on your truck, including the center cab-roof one. Truck uses the '70s-style shared filaments for brake and turn signals on the lights on the bed, so those two circuits are connected. So for some reason, when the center stop bulb is burnt out, and you hit a turn signal, it sends an eddy current or sneak circuit back to the brake light switch. PCM "interprets" that as you hitting the brake pedal, and unlocks the torque converter. Also, if your speedo ever wavers, the VSS is getting icked up or worn out, and of course, that'll confound the E4OD.

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i'm already getting to go neck-deep into working on it, and wow... distributed v8s are a whole world away from saturns. and the truck forum guys are not nearly as friendly as the guys here.

thanks for the tip on the forum, madpogue. i'm on another forum right now trying to diagnose a no-start (i'm a member over there as well, but my computer hated that website when my no-start...erm...started...), hopefully that'll all be wrapped up tomorrow, i think i have enough info on it now.
FTE is pretty friendly. I started there way back when Julie broke (yes, broke!) the shifter off on her F150 - http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/15...d-shifter.html. PM me from there (same user name) if you decide to join.

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What's the no-start? Is it cranking?

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Is it a two-tone? Just remember, it's a violation of international law to repaint a two-tone truck a single color .

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Older Ford engines have temperature sensor issues as well as Saturn, so change it out.

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Like any electronic tranny, the E4OD can be lots of fun when it comes to external sensors. Example - keep th brake lights working on your truck, including the center cab-roof one. Truck uses the '70s-style shared filaments for brake and turn signals on the lights on the bed, so those two circuits are connected. So for some reason, when the center stop bulb is burnt out, and you hit a turn signal, it sends an eddy current or sneak circuit back to the brake light switch. PCM "interprets" that as you hitting the brake pedal, and unlocks the torque converter. Also, if your speedo ever wavers, the VSS is getting icked up or worn out, and of course, that'll confound the E4OD.

FTE is pretty friendly. I started there way back when Julie broke (yes, broke!) the shifter off on her F150 - http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/15...d-shifter.html. PM me from there (same user name) if you decide to join.

What's the no-start? Is it cranking?

Is it a two-tone? Just remember, it's a violation of international law to repaint a two-tone truck a single color .
it's cranking, i have fuel in the chambers and i have spark, so now it seems one of these things is happening at the wrong time

it's a single color truck, going with the same single color



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