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View Poll Results: What is the worst Saturn ever made?
Saturn S-series 12 7.64%
Saturn Ion 23 14.65%
Saturn Astra 4 2.55%
Saturn L-series 15 9.55%
Saturn Aura 0 0%
Saturn Sky 1 0.64%
Saturn Vue (Gen 1) 12 7.64%
Saturn Vue (Gen 2) 3 1.91%
Saturn Outlook 4 2.55%
Saturn Relay 83 52.87%
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Old 03-18-2010, 04:10 PM   #81
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The Miata is a great car - But c'mon, it's a chick car! I wouldn't be caught dead driving one, but I agree, it's a good car - for woman who want a stylish well made car.
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Old 03-18-2010, 04:40 PM   #82
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I rarely see women driving Miatas
My niece has one. It's one of the ugliest things I have ever seen (and I tease her about when I get the opp). It's Sunshine Yellow with Black trim. Bleah!

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Old 03-18-2010, 09:43 PM   #83
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Old 03-18-2010, 10:59 PM   #84
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Old 03-18-2010, 11:31 PM   #85
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I'll say Relay; followed closely by the L-Series.

The L-Series was GM Clone as well. No originality. Built in Wimington Delaware at a facility that had seen the likes of Chevrolet and Oldsmobile before it's time....I've read alot about these as well having electrical issues. Granted, maybe it was maybe only in some of the L-Series; I won't buy one of these. I was kind of surprised when these came out to find that they were nearly identical to other GM makes at the time of their release. It just seemed like an easy way out for GM to keep the Saturn name alive....granted this leads into the whole debate about why GM decided to kill off Saturn, etc. that I am not going to go into here. I just think that GM could have done Better with the L-Series; and at would have at least tried to make it unique like the S-Series was when those cars came out.
OK, the S-Series were really the only absolutely TRUE Saturns.

As far as Saturn models other than the S-Series, the L was the least "cloneish" of them all. If anything, one could argue the L was kind of a mutt clone: Saab/Opel Chassis (shared with the Vectra and the 9-5), Vauxhall engine (built in Port Elsemere, England) German [Opel] electronics. The 2000s had a very German suspension setup (very stiff), which Saturn softened a bit in later model years.

Granted, the Ls are not perfect, and they have their trouble spots, for sure. But how often do you hear of a V6 L chewing intake gaskets or head gaskets al la the 3100, 3400, or the 3800? Pretty much any of the Ls peers within the GM family at the time tend to have issues with the aforementioned gaskets.

I'll take an L any day over its GM peers. I agree, GM could have done better with these cars, but based on everything I've heard and read, these were some of the better GM midsizers of their time.

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Old 03-19-2010, 11:02 AM   #86
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(Yes, polymer is still a big deal for me, unfortunately other than the Smart and to a different extent, the Corvette, there are only steel paneled cars. IMO as soon as GM/Saturn started pushing steel bodied rebadges, that is when Saturn died.)
Tesla may not be big (yet), but the Roadster and the new Model S (sedan) are both made from all carbon fiber body panels. Click and Clack of Car Talk (on NPR) did a tv segment on Electric Vehicles year or two ago for PBS, where they tested out these panels by swinging a 25lb sledge over their head and down onto the panel sitting on the floor. It barely scuffed it. No dents or anything. It wasnt painted, so that would probably need redone if it had been, but still pretty awesome to see.

When at NAIAS this year, Tesla had shown plans to advance into dozens of markets this next year. I only knew of locations in LA, SF, and potentially Chicago, but they were already in a dozen or so cities.

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Old 03-19-2010, 11:15 AM   #87
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OK, the S-Series were really the only absolutely TRUE Saturns.

As far as Saturn models other than the S-Series, the L was the least "cloneish" of them all. If anything, one could argue the L was kind of a mutt clone: Saab/Opel Chassis (shared with the Vectra and the 9-5), Vauxhall engine (built in Port Elsemere, England) German [Opel] electronics. The 2000s had a very German suspension setup (very stiff), which Saturn softened a bit in later model years.

Granted, the Ls are not perfect, and they have their trouble spots, for sure. But how often do you hear of a V6 L chewing intake gaskets or head gaskets al la the 3100, 3400, or the 3800? Pretty much any of the Ls peers within the GM family at the time tend to have issues with the aforementioned gaskets.

I'll take an L any day over its GM peers. I agree, GM could have done better with these cars, but based on everything I've heard and read, these were some of the better GM midsizers of their time.
What about the ION and the first generation of the VUE? Both of them were built in Spring Hill....wouldn't they classify as "True Saturns" as well? Or are you basing this comment on the fact that the S-Series was in a class by itself (meaning no parts can interchange between an S-Series and other GM cars.)

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Old 03-19-2010, 12:21 PM   #88
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Hoods, roofs and trunk lids of all Saturns have always been steel.
Nope.

Roofs of the SW1/SW2 were polymer. At least the 1993-1995's were. Not too sure about the 1996+.

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Old 03-19-2010, 12:46 PM   #89
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I rarely see women driving Miatas
Really? Weird, must be location related. Around here, I only recall ever seeing one guy driving a miata. Other than that, all woman. Whenever I see a miata, I check to see if the woman driving it is hot, so I do pay attention to the drivers. :-)

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Old 03-19-2010, 01:52 PM   #90
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The worst? The 1st generation Vue. Between the CVT and the 3L Vauxhall V6, those things were a servicing and reliability nightmare.

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Old 03-19-2010, 03:32 PM   #91
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Nope.

Roofs of the SW1/SW2 were polymer. At least the 1993-1995's were. Not too sure about the 1996+.
'96-'01 were steel. And I _think_ the '93-'95 roofs were fiberglass (in any event, they weren't steel).

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'96-'01 were steel. And I _think_ the '93-'95 roofs were fiberglass (in any event, they weren't steel).
The hatch is fiberglass, but the roof is polymer. I've drilled through it. At least that is how it is on the 1993 that used to mine that my dad drives.

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Old 03-19-2010, 06:19 PM   #93
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Really? Weird, must be location related. Around here, I only recall ever seeing one guy driving a miata. Other than that, all woman. Whenever I see a miata, I check to see if the woman driving it is hot, so I do pay attention to the drivers. :-)

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I'll take an L any day over its GM peers.
Not an exact peer but I would've gone with a Buick LeSabre. I seem to remember the MSRP of the L series being a bit high so it matched more in price to a full size GM car.
I also would have taken any late 90s and up Accord or Camry over the L.

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Here it's guys over 50 in Miatas or any 2 seat roadster/convertible. Women drive CUVs/SUVs
Hot women (trophy wives/girlfriends) drive Lexus RXs
Ya the one guy I saw was definately over 50.

Also, saw another one today - hard top + woman, not very attractive though, and neither was she ;-)


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Old 03-24-2010, 06:03 PM   #96
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Relay, period.

I see every service order over the parts counter, and have been here since far before these ever came off the trucks. So yeah, can say with some certainty and credibility.

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Old 03-26-2010, 09:36 PM   #97
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Of the Saturns I've owned, I'd say that the best I had was a toss up between the 1999 SC2 or the 2008 Vue. The worst was the 2001 L300 and the close runner up was the 2004 Vue V6.

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Old 04-02-2010, 05:04 PM   #99
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Gotta say the Ion. It was just so bad. Car and Driver said it best "We waited seven years for this?" They S series was well liked and then the Ion happened. Close second is the Relay.

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The hatch is fiberglass, but the roof is polymer. I've drilled through it. At least that is how it is on the 1993 that used to mine that my dad drives.
Same with my 1995 SW2

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