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Old 03-11-2015, 02:48 AM   #1
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Default Automatic seatbelt question

I know everybody hates automatic seatbelts and that the conventional wisdom repair is to find a 1995 car to swap to get the parts to swap to manual belts. Two things preventing me from doing this at present:

1) Lack of available 1995 SL/SW cars in my area pick and pulls to harvest parts from.

2) The automatic seat belts are an artifact of an automotive era that are currently rare, and being the old car buff and preservationist that I am, I'm keen on keeping my mouse belts alive. Even though a lot of people hate the mouse belts, I find them to be actually somewhat convenient for the short trip city driving that I do.

Anyway, my driver's side belt's motor has become quite anemic, especially in the very cold weather. In our arctic winter we've had this year, I've taken to disconnecting the shoulder belt from the link that runs across the track to reduce the drag on the link making the movement easier. I religiously lubricate the track with spray white lithium grease, which I'm told is the thing to use.

It seems as though people say that the motor is attached to the track. Is this an attachment that cannot be broken? What I would like to do is take out the motor to have it rebuilt, but leave the track in place so that I can put in the temporary manual link that came with the car in its glove box. If I have to take out the whole track, there won't be anything to attach the link to while I wait for rehab of the motor.

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Old 03-11-2015, 10:02 AM   #2
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Default Re: Automatic seatbelt question

My memory is a bit foggy at the moment, because I have an auto seatbelt motor and track assembly in my garage from my 1991 SC, long before I knew I was going to be giving that car to my mechanic.

I *think* that the Motor and Assembly are all one piece- so if you rehab the entire working mechanism- the whole thing has to be removed from the car, once you remove the A-Piller Window cover. I would have to dig my assembly out and take a closer look at it to see if the Motor would be able to be disconnected from the track...

Removing it from the car is not a fun task because the size of it is over 2 feet in length- Motor and Track. I can let you know for sure, as I am pretty positive that the mouse belts were pretty universal between 91-94...

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Old 03-11-2015, 10:37 AM   #3
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Default Re: Automatic seatbelt question

They are one piece but can be disconnected from each other once out of the car. I may have a couple kicking around the garage if your interested.

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Old 03-11-2015, 10:40 AM   #4
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Default Re: Automatic seatbelt question

Not to do a thread hijack, but if this progresses to removal of the actual motor and belt chuck, I'd be very appreciative of photos of the inside of the A-pillar trim. Mine is hanging loose and although I have not been in a hurry to fix it because that puts less friction load on the belt system, it looks untidy and I would like to take care of it at some point, hopefully without wrecking the trim more than it already is.

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Old 03-11-2015, 11:06 AM   #5
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Default Re: Automatic seatbelt question

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I religiously lubricate the track with spray white lithium grease, which I'm told is the thing to use.
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I think thats your problem. Grease isnt what your supposed to use. Grease attracts dirt, which becomes sludge. I have always used a silicon spray on mine. In winter they do move a bit slower. But once it gets a tad warmer they zip right along.

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Old 03-11-2015, 11:36 AM   #6
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Default Re: Automatic seatbelt question

There is one currently posted on eBay for $90. You might want to pick it up, switch it in and then rebuild your original. The eBay ID is 231023533311. There are pictures for reference.

Oops, just noted that it is for the passenger side. Pictures may still be relevant to you though.

eBay ID 151557728775 has a drivers side assembly for $50 obo.
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File Type: jpg RH Seat belt assembly 2.jpg (149.7 KB, 5 views)

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Old 03-11-2015, 12:41 PM   #7
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Default Re: Automatic seatbelt question

Going to tag this to see how you make out.. I should be making a boneyard trip in the next couple weeks, There is a few 94s there at the moment.

Since others say they can be taken apart once removed, i am going to guess year or model wont really matter ( SL,SC,SW) ?

It is one of those things I try to rescue anyway. I take a small 7.2ah battery in my tool box to test them, and the last set I got was relatively cheap. ( cannot give those up just yet, I haven't gotten to go through mine to figure out what was broke yet) But if I find a good motor before you find something, I will reply here. ( and like I said, it is something I usually grab anyway so no obligation to take it if I pull them. )

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Old 03-12-2015, 03:53 AM   #8
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I think thats your problem. Grease isnt what your supposed to use. Grease attracts dirt, which becomes sludge. I have always used a silicon spray on mine. In winter they do move a bit slower. But once it gets a tad warmer they zip right along.
I got the information on the white lithium grease spray from these forums, here's one such post from Wolfman.... it's the stuff in the spray can as opposed to just regular grease. I guess they recommend this stuff for automatic garage doors too.

Anyway, thanks all for the great info and tips. So, it sounds like it's possible, even if I have to remove the whole track first to get the motor out.... hopefully then I can refasten the track so it can hold the temporary latch while I get the motors rehabbed.

Johnny95SL2, if you have any spares lying around that you're not using that are any good, perhaps that could help. Care to check?

Also, I'm interested in replacing the driver's shoulder belt since mine is frayed. I don't know if it's reasonable to look for used ones, or try one of the vintage belt places for a new replacement.

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