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Old 08-14-2005, 12:04 AM   #1
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Default HOW TO: 3.5 Auto Trans Fluid Change

Here is the quick and dirty on how to change the transmission fluid yourself.

You will need:
A pan capable of catching and holding AT LEAST 5 QUARTS of fluid. The one I used is a 15 quart, round drain pan.
A 3/8 drive ratchet or breaker bar with a short extension.
A 10-12 inch piece of 3/8 fuel or oil line.
A small funnell with a 3/8 tip opening.
Several old rags.
At least 5 quarts of new trans fluid.

A word about transmission fluid.
Trans fluid is the life blood of your transmission. A quality trans fluid is more important to your trans than a quality oil is to your engine. As heat in the trans goes up, the life of the fluid (and your trans) goes down. Sadly most people ignore the transmission until it breaks and then swear XX car company makes cheap transmissions. The Honda transmission REQUIRES a Z1specification fluid. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT BRAND YOU BUY AS LONG AS IT CARRIES THE Z1 RATING. ASSUME NOTHING, TURN THE BOTTLE OVER AND READ. As of this writing Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF DOES NOT meet the Z1 spec. I am personally a cheerleader for synthetics in general, so I used Amsoil ATF. Use anything you like, as long as it has the Z1 rating.

The procedure:
Park the Vue on level ground, put it in park, and set the parking brake. Make sure the engine is at FULL operating temp. This will make the refill process more accurate and quicker. Turn the wheels all the way to the left, and turn off the engine.
Jack up the front end of the Vue 5-6 inches. It is not necessary to put it on ramps or jackstands for this job. Keeping the Vue as level as possible will help you get as much fluid as possible out of the trans.
Looking under the Vue from the front, the transmission is the large cast aluminum part closest to the drivers side tire. Running from front to back along the trans is a row of cad plated (gold tone) hex bolts. They all look alike, except for one...it is slightly bigger and has a 3/8 square drive head instead of a hex. This is the drain plug. Put the drain pan as close as practical to the drain plug while still allowing yourself enough room to use the ratchet and extension to loosen the plug. Once the plug is loose, it will come out with just your fingers. Work SLOWLY, and keep the drain pan close to your work. The fluid comes out FAST. MUCH faster than draining engine oil. Wipe up what you spilled and let the trans drain for several minutes. The drain plug has a magnet on the end. Wipe it off with a rag. These metal particles should be VERY tiny, almost like metal powder, and be a silver gray color. The draining fluid should be dark red, with only the slightest tinge of brown. It should NOT smell burned.
While the trans is draining remove the dipstick. It is low on the front drivers side of the engine bay, almost directly under the radiator hose. You will see a loop of wire with a piece of rubber on it. Pull it straight up and out of the fill tube. Notice I said fill tube. Here's a trick. The tube is slightly larger than the 3/8 fuel line. Dab a little trans fluid on the end of the 12 inch piece of hose and carefully but firmly push it over the end of the tube. Push the funnell in the other end and you have the perfect "fill tube extension".
Replace the drain plug and tighten snugly. Pour in the trans fluid of your choice and check the level after EACH quart of fluid. There is no way to know exactly how much fluid you drained with this method. THIS PROCEDURE DRAINED 4.8 QUARTS OF FLUID FROM MY TRANSMISSION. YOUR DRAINAGE MAY VARY. FOLLOW THE CHECK PROCEDURE IN THE OWNERS MANUAL!! I can not be resopnsible for your decision not to follow the check procedure in the owners manual EXACTLY.

Last Thoughts:
This is a quick change procedure only. A full fluid change out is only possible with a pressure flush machine from the dealer or oil change place. I believe a pressure flush SHOULD be done every 50,000 miles or so. This is a great intermediate step.
There ARE filters in the Honda trans, they are small and built into the inside of the trans case. I do not believe that they are servicable by the do-it-yourselfer.
NEVER let anyone tell you that this is a "sealed system".
Good luck with yours!
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Old 08-14-2005, 01:02 PM   #2
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Default Re: HOW TO: 3.5 Auto Trans Fluid Change

Thanks, great job! On other honda 3.5 transmission threads I've read, everyone says that 3 quarts come out, and you have to do it four times to get all of the fluid changed, but I'd say getting 5 out of 12 total is a good start. I'm going to change mine at 10k (7.5k now) with either amsoil or honda Z1 from the dealer. After that I'll go with 20-30k intervals. If I get 5 out, I'll be happy and just do it once.

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Old 08-14-2005, 06:36 PM   #3
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Default Re: HOW TO: 3.5 Auto Trans Fluid Change

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Thanks, great job! On other honda 3.5 transmission threads I've read, everyone says that 3 quarts come out, and you have to do it four times to get all of the fluid changed, but I'd say getting 5 out of 12 total is a good start. I'm going to change mine at 10k (7.5k now) with either amsoil or honda Z1 from the dealer. After that I'll go with 20-30k intervals. If I get 5 out, I'll be happy and just do it once.

PS: Got any new info on the spark plug study? :-P

Burnout, the difference MAY be that I had the Vue basically level and not on jackstands when the change was done. Again I got 4.8 quarts out. How certain are you that the trans holds 12 quarts? I'm not sure and was curious.

As far as the spark plug study goes...The data is done but I am putting it into a MSWord document that i can e-mail to Charlie. He has graciously agreed to host the document for me. I will post when the link is up and running.

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Old 08-14-2005, 06:43 PM   #4
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Default Re: HOW TO: 3.5 Auto Trans Fluid Change

I believe I read SOMEWHERE that it holds around 12-13 quarts. They said that when you remove the drain plug only a fraction of that comes out, and for a full fluid change you need to do it 3-4 times.

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Old 08-15-2005, 07:44 AM   #5
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Default Re: HOW TO: 3.5 Auto Trans Fluid Change

Thanks David, excellent as always.

Do many vehicles make it this hard to fill the Auto Trans fluid ?

(I would never have thought that I would need a 3/8 inch tube)

How common is that?

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Default Re: HOW TO: 3.5 Auto Trans Fluid Change

Doing some research..

found out that Honda does NOT recommend using a flushing machine in this transmission. Apparently, it uses wet clutch packs so it's incompatible for some reason. Honda's 'flush' method is draining and refilling 3 times.

I was looking at AMSOIL's site and they say the tranny holds 8-9 quarts.

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Old 08-15-2005, 11:29 PM   #7
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Thanks David, excellent as always.

Do many vehicles make it this hard to fill the Auto Trans fluid ?

(I would never have thought that I would need a 3/8 inch tube)

How common is that?

As most of my years of experience have been with American automatics...this is the first Japanese auto trans I have messed with. There is no reason I can see why they could not have used a 3/4 inch fill tube and let us just stick a long neck funnell into the hole. There is plenty of room down there. No slowneo, most are not as hard to fill as this one. Honda does get some kudos for the EASY to use drain plug. No pan to drop like on a Ford or Chevy.

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Old 08-20-2005, 11:45 PM   #8
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Default Re: HOW TO: 3.5 Auto Trans Fluid Change

David,

Thanks for the write-up. I also have posted some diagrams from my manual to help folks out with this procedure in the past. Anyone can view them here:

http://dante.myftp.org/vue-maint/200...placement.html

They say to do a couple things that I don't do:
1) replace the gasket on the drain plug
2) remove the air intake tube, because of 3)
3) refill via the fill plug on the top of the transmission, which leads to
4) replace the gasket on the fill plug

I wound up rigging an extension like you did using 1/4" surgical tubing (same stuff I used to fill my RDM with -- it goes over the pointed tips of the gear lube pretty well). I taped it to the end of a plastic funnel and fed it INTO the dipstick tube. No leaks, no mess, no removing the air tube and reach down to the tranny fill plug.

I wound up using about 4.5 Qts on my first change. I plan on doing my 2nd change sometime soon (every other oil change).

About using the Amsoil -- are they Z1 certified by Honda? Last I heard they were not but claimed to "meet or exceed the requirements" of "many" manufacturers. IMO, the Honda tranny is the weakest link in the Vue, and I'm going BY THE BOOK on the fluids. It's not too expensive to get at a Honda dealership (about $3.60 a bottle, IIRC), and I don't mind changing it entirely too frequently (compared to the minimum maintenance recommendations), but then again, I want to have that tranny run for 500k miles!

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Old 08-21-2005, 11:31 AM   #9
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About using the Amsoil -- are they Z1 certified by Honda? Last I heard they were not but claimed to "meet or exceed the requirements" of "many" manufacturers. IMO, the Honda tranny is the weakest link in the Vue, and I'm going BY THE BOOK on the fluids. It's not too expensive to get at a Honda dealership (about $3.60 a bottle, IIRC), and I don't mind changing it entirely too frequently (compared to the minimum maintenance recommendations), but then again, I want to have that tranny run for 500k miles!
A lot cheaper and easier than trying to do a complete exchange with Amsoil. Just have to wonder if this method or the Amsoil change over is the better way to go?

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David,

Thanks for the write-up. I also have posted some diagrams from my manual to help folks out with this procedure in the past. Anyone can view them here:

http://dante.myftp.org/vue-maint/200...placement.html

They say to do a couple things that I don't do:
1) replace the gasket on the drain plug
2) remove the air intake tube, because of 3)
3) refill via the fill plug on the top of the transmission, which leads to
4) replace the gasket on the fill plug

I wound up rigging an extension like you did using 1/4" surgical tubing (same stuff I used to fill my RDM with -- it goes over the pointed tips of the gear lube pretty well). I taped it to the end of a plastic funnel and fed it INTO the dipstick tube. No leaks, no mess, no removing the air tube and reach down to the tranny fill plug.

I wound up using about 4.5 Qts on my first change. I plan on doing my 2nd change sometime soon (every other oil change).

About using the Amsoil -- are they Z1 certified by Honda? Last I heard they were not but claimed to "meet or exceed the requirements" of "many" manufacturers. IMO, the Honda tranny is the weakest link in the Vue, and I'm going BY THE BOOK on the fluids. It's not too expensive to get at a Honda dealership (about $3.60 a bottle, IIRC), and I don't mind changing it entirely too frequently (compared to the minimum maintenance recommendations), but then again, I want to have that tranny run for 500k miles!
Dante, The AMSOIL ATF does meet the Z1 specs, says so right on the bottle along with about 15 others that it specifies. Being a synthetic cheerleader in general, I chose to use the only PURE synthetic i could find that met the Z1 spec. However, your method will work just fine too. Sadly, in a year or so we are going to start hearing stories about how crappy the Honda/Vue "sealed" trannys are...

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Sadly, in a year or so we are going to start hearing stories about how crappy the Honda/Vue "sealed" trannys are...
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What do you mean by that? Any details or just a hunch?

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The Honda trans has had a lot of failures in Odyssey minivans.
They came up with a retrofit to add more lubrication to one of the problem areas by adding a spray tube where the filler plug is.
The 04 and up versions (as used in the Vue) have internal mods to accomplish the same thing.
My suggestion is change oil often and hope for the best.
Honda makes great engines but they are still on a learning curve for auto trannys.

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Hi,

What do you mean by that? Any details or just a hunch?

Several stories on this board about dealer service advisors telling customers that the Honda trans is a sealed unit and not servicable. THIS IS NOT TRUE!!! A quick read of the owners manual will confirm that it DOES have a dipstick and gives recomended change intervals for the fluid. Sadly some people are going to believe those service advisors...

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Several stories on this board about dealer service advisors telling customers that the Honda trans is a sealed unit and not servicable. THIS IS NOT TRUE!!! A quick read of the owners manual will confirm that it DOES have a dipstick and gives recomended change intervals for the fluid. Sadly some people are going to believe those service advisors...
I was told I didn't need to change until 100,000. I suppose thats BS?

Also, how come you didn't do the complete Amsoil replacement? Are you wanting to just change the fluid more often or is it a lot of hassle trying to remove the cooler line?

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Old 09-17-2005, 06:00 PM   #15
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Changed the trans fluid on my 3.5 VUE but its not clear on the dip stick where the level should be. Manual says cross hatch area but that doesn't exist. There is a bend in the stick so I'm assuming as long as its below the bend thats where is belongs?

My current level is below the bend but above the two holes.

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Changed the trans fluid on my 3.5 VUE but its not clear on the dip stick where the level should be. Manual says cross hatch area but that doesn't exist. There is a bend in the stick so I'm assuming as long as its below the bend thats where is belongs?

My current level is below the bend but above the two holes.
Finally found an illustration elsewhere that it should between the two holes. Wondered about that but the holes are pretty darn close together.

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I'm surprised at how much metal I got off the magnetic plug when I changed the oil. The fluid looked a bit dark so I'm glad I changed it. Starting to think I should have changed it earlier than 29,000.

I had a hard time getting the level check done right. One tip I got from the service manual I bought was to turn off the engine before the check. I thought that was odd as I always checked with the engine on but I did get a cleaner and easier read. The check has to be done immediately after turning off the engine or the fluid will rise after a while from the converter draining a bit.

Another problem I had was running the car too much...ideling raised the temp and fluid level. Not sure what the trick to that is except to check the level after a normal trip for a final check.

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I tried to use your suggestions on changing the trans. fluid. Its a good thing that before I went out and bought the supplies need, that I double checked to see if 3/8 inch fuel line hose would work on the dip stick.. It didn't. I tried even scoring the inside end of the hose, put oil on it too, so it would slip on. No luck!! I am going to get something a little bigger and try it...

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I tried to use your suggestions on changing the trans. fluid. Its a good thing that before I went out and bought the supplies need, that I double checked to see if 3/8 inch fuel line hose would work on the dip stick.. It didn't. I tried even scoring the inside end of the hose, put oil on it too, so it would slip on. No luck!! I am going to get something a little bigger and try it...
I just removed the fill cap and used the basic walmart transmission fill tube with on/off twist. Worked great though I do admit it was slightly harder to get to.

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Thought I would update you on my ordeel... Yes, how come it always works out like this. Got the problem of getting the fuid in solved but now a new problem. I broke my ratchet trying to loosen the bolt. The bolt is torked on there pretty good. I bought a new ratchet and will try again tomorrow when the trans. is cold. I might also put on some penitrating oil too beforehand. Any other ideas?

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