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Old 10-02-2018, 08:50 PM   #1
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I am making the trek to Boston Ma for the extinct car show, and it is about 6 hours each way for me. My 1995 Sl2 has 155k on it, runs great, always fires up, but my father (former saturn tech) said it may be a smart idea to replace the crank sensor before coming up. I really do not want to spend the money right now, and have a spare from my 1994 Sl2's engine with only 53k on it. Now, do these go bad over time or from mileage? If age doesnt matter too much Ill just head up with the spare CPS in my trunk just in case, along with spare coils and module.
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:13 PM   #2
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Father knows best. Bring him with you! I want to say hello to the both of you.

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Old 10-02-2018, 09:15 PM   #3
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Does your father have a premonition of the car dying out on you?
If so, maybe you could show him some honor and just change it out for his sake. Besides, its a whole lot easier to change at home rather than somehow trying to crawl (better on a support) under at an unconvenient spot in the dark.

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Old 10-02-2018, 09:20 PM   #4
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I guess I will order one from rockauto and make sure it gets installed before I come up.
I told my dad he should come, he thinks we are all nuts for loving our saturns. Hes not a true fan...
It is a shame because you could all pick his brain like I do.
He worked there from 1995-2000, so he was in the height of the S-Series Boom.

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Old 10-02-2018, 09:38 PM   #5
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I bought a CPS sensor from Advanced Auto Parts with lifetime warranty. Mine seems to die every 3-4 years. I now replace it every other year as "preventive maintenance"... even if there are no symptoms. I refuse to get stranded again from a failed CPS.

If you are a low mileage driver, then it may not fail as often. I think the heat is hard on these sensors.

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Old 10-02-2018, 10:40 PM   #6
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I am going to get the AcDelco gm oem rated one, hoping it will be a good choice.

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I think I read (from OldNuc, maybe?) that they work fine until they fail.

They fail when hot, and letting it cool down means you can start the car again and it will run until it overheats again.

Also read that pushing the car so that one side is up on a curb gives you enough room to crawl underneath to change (fetchitfido, maybe?)

I've driven 2 Saturns daily for the past 9~10 years. Knock on wood, have yet to have one fail on me.

First Saturn, the silver one in the avatar pic, I drove for ~8 years and 100k miles (has over 200k miles on it, engine still runs great), AFAIK on the original CPS

Doesn't hurt to change it, and you can keep the old one in the glovebox for a spare

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Old 10-03-2018, 11:12 AM   #8
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I think I read (from OldNuc, maybe?) that they work fine until they fail.

They fail when hot, and letting it cool down means you can start the car again and it will run until it overheats again.

Also read that pushing the car so that one side is up on a curb gives you enough room to crawl underneath to change (fetchitfido, maybe?)

I've driven 2 Saturns daily for the past 9~10 years. Knock on wood, have yet to have one fail on me.

First Saturn, the silver one in the avatar pic, I drove for ~8 years and 100k miles (has over 200k miles on it, engine still runs great), AFAIK on the original CPS

Doesn't hurt to change it, and you can keep the old one in the glovebox for a spare
I am able to crawl under the car without a jack, as long as I remove the air dam and keep my head turned sideways. But when I do it at home I'll make sure it's jacked up and properly secured on stands. I thought about going through the top by removing the upper motor mount and trans mount to allow the engine to pivot far forward, but I haven't had the time to poke around yet.

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I am able to crawl under the car without a jack, as long as I remove the air dam and keep my head turned sideways. But when I do it at home I'll make sure it's jacked up and properly secured on stands. I thought about going through the top by removing the upper motor mount and trans mount to allow the engine to pivot far forward, but I haven't had the time to poke around yet.
You'd still have to at least remove one bolt from the lower engine dog-bone as the dog-bones are designed to prevent exactly what you want it to do

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Are you serious? Pushing even a saturn up onto a curb would not be my choice of exercise.

PS, out here in the 'sticks', I would have to push the car 7 miles just to find the first curb. Ha ha.

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Old 10-03-2018, 01:36 PM   #11
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A lot of the aftermarket CPS from the Mainland seem to suffer from bad infant mortality or premature death.

I seem to recall that Standard Motor Products and *maybe* AC Delco Professional had ones that seemed to be equivalent to the ones that our cars left the factory with.

Given the location and consequences, I'd want OEM, not some low quality knockoff.

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Old 10-03-2018, 03:59 PM   #12
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An OE crank sensor is still available from several online GM sites (GMpartsonline, wholesalegmpartsonline, etc). As far as I can tell though, the AC Delco is the OE part. So unless you want to spend a little more at a GM website the rock auto one should be exactly the same.

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Old 10-03-2018, 07:25 PM   #13
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my 2000 SL2 has 451,000km with the original CPS. I live in the rust belt of Canada. I would not worry about it.

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