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Old 02-04-2006, 04:30 AM   #1
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Wrench 2000 LS2 Coolant on the garage floor.

My 2000 LS2 has another coolant leak.
Three water pumps
At least two maybe three oil cooler related repairs.
Now, I have, not a few drops but a puddle under the car.
In the morning I will jack up the car and try to see where the coolant is comming from.
Problem is I am unsure of my shade tree expertise.
Am I going to be able to do a DIY (Do it yourself) repair? Do I need any special tools?
Any words of caution.
In the past the dealer has run $750.00-$1000.00 for this type of repair. I am broke.
Lets hope for the best. Lets hope it is just a hose.

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Old 02-04-2006, 05:30 AM   #2
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$1000? Holy ****. what a ****in rip off. Get a service manual and ask around at local parts stores for prices and availability of the parts you need. Hell, all it might be is a ****ty hose clamp. Thighten the f'er down and start the engine. If it's a gasket, buy the damn gasket and replace the old one. Engines aren't brain science....well, these days they are with the electronic crap. check your hoses and gaskets. later

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Old 02-04-2006, 09:45 AM   #3
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Although they're not perfect, I have been impressed with Haynes Manuals. I never bought one before, but I wanted to attempt changing the plugs on my 2000 Pontiac Montana, which requires removing a bunch of stuff, disconnecting motor mounts and tilting the engine. I figured the Haynes Manual would be over my head, but it's written for pretty average shadetree ability.

I've found a couple of minor errors, but nothing critical yet.

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Old 02-04-2006, 05:31 PM   #4
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Default Re: 2000 LS2 Coolant on the garage floor.

The V6 oil cooler may not really be a great DIY repair.

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Old 02-05-2006, 01:30 AM   #5
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Up date.

I climbed under the car and antifreeze and oil every where. I could not determine where the leak was. I cleaned the motor and that was no easy task.

I decided not to screw with it and called Saturn of Ontario and let them check it out.

The water pump is shot . This is the fourth water pump in 75,000 miles.

Cost of repair is $364.98 including a new serpentine belt.

The car is repaired and I will pick it up Monday morning.

I could not get to the dealer by the time the dealership closed. At least it wont break down sitting at the dealer. Ha Ha

We are going to keep the car, we can't help but love it.

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Old 02-05-2006, 04:11 AM   #6
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isn't it a 12,000 miles or 1 year warranty for repairs done at saturn?

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Old 02-05-2006, 02:21 PM   #7
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And why arent they replacing the timing belt with it? Its now contaminated. I wouldnt trust it.
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Old 02-05-2006, 03:54 PM   #8
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Beensmoked: every time this happens it seems to be just out of warranty.

bigc791: I asked the dealership about the timing belt. They said it is OK. The dealer would have charged an additional $550.00 to do the timing belt for a grand total of just under $1000.00. Like I said in earlier, I can not take this damn car in for less than a grand. I will have to do the timing belt at 100,000 miles and hopefully by then I will have the time and ability. This should in about two years.

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Old 02-07-2006, 01:13 PM   #9
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I called Saturn this morning and filed a complaint about having to put four water pumps in only 76,000 miles.

Is there a real problem with the water pumps or is it just my dumb luck?

Has anybody else had water pump issues?

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Old 02-07-2006, 01:34 PM   #10
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I called Saturn this morning and filed a complaint about having to put four water pumps in only 76,000 miles.

Is there a real problem with the water pumps or is it just my dumb luck?

Has anybody else had water pump issues?
We had to replace our water pump and power steering pump in our '01 LW300 at only 51000 miles. Looks like more quality work from GM and their parts suppliers. Seriously, WTF? Power steering pump? My '71 Cutlass never had an issue with the PS - I never even had to add fluid.

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Old 02-07-2006, 10:54 PM   #11
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Four water pumps in a row being defective is too much of a coincidence. These are pretty simple and sturdily built mechanical devices that have been around for a long time.....not tempermental,relatively delicate electrical/electronic devices.

Did the pumps stop working or was it a case of leaks? Did you see any of these pumps or get an explanation of what happened to them?

I suspect that how they were installed may be part of repeat problem if same shop put them in,IMHO.

Am I correct that each pump lasted more than a year? If not you should be getting them replaced under Saturn one year parts and labor guarantee.

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Old 02-07-2006, 11:01 PM   #12
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oops.....delete my last paragraph. You already answered that question.

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Old 02-07-2006, 11:40 PM   #13
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Default Re: 2000 LS2 Coolant on the garage floor.

Funny that they'd charge so much for the timing belt. Not sure about the Saturn V6 but every car I've had, you had to remove the timing belt to get to the water pump. It chould just cost you parts. Squeeky wheel gets the grease.

And Isn't it a general rule of thumb to replace timing belts and water pumps at the same time?

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Old 02-08-2006, 03:10 AM   #14
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[QUOTE=hugh]Four water pumps in a row being defective is too much of a coincidence. These are pretty simple and sturdily built mechanical devices that have been around for a long time.....not tempermental,relatively delicate electrical/electronic devices.

Did the pumps stop working or was it a case of leaks? Did you see any of these pumps or get an explanation of what happened to them?

I suspect that how they were installed may be part of repeat problem if same shop put them in,IMHO.



All four pumps leaked.
No I never saw any of the pumps.
The pumps were replaced and no more fluid leaked until the next problem.(Oil cooler, Bridge, thermostat housing Etc., etc.)
No explanation as to why they went bad just that they did.

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Old 02-08-2006, 08:13 PM   #15
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OK......it seems to me that you need to sit down with service manager and ask some blunt questions about what specifically was wrong with the waterpumps and the skill level of whoever has been installing those water pumps. Is there anything in the way of a name/number of tech doing the work on your invoices?

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Old 02-09-2006, 02:24 AM   #16
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5&7;

OK......it seems to me that you need to sit down with service manager and ask some blunt questions about what specifically was wrong with the waterpumps and the skill level of whoever has been installing those water pumps. Is there anything in the way of a name/number of tech doing the work on your invoices?
Yes.
1st Replacement @ 23,277 Miles Tech. Omar Kornijczuk 06/01/2001

2nd Replacement @27,888 Miles Tech. Joshua Kramer 12/21/2001

3rd Replacement @ 76.745 Miles Tech. Dominic Sanchez 02/04/2006

I got a few years out of the last one but it still should have lasted longer. I have had cars go over 150,000 miles and never had to consider the water pump.
Oh well.

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