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Old 06-26-2001, 11:23 AM   #1
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Sorry for all the questions! hehe. 97 SL2, the hose going from the valve cover to intake (stock btw) keeps almost coming off at the valve cover. Anyone know if caulk or window weild or any other sealent will work to 'glue' it on there? Guess I'll be needing something that widthstands higher temps. and won't fall apart from contact w/ hot oil.

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Old 06-26-2001, 11:42 AM   #2
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Forget about chaulking.....

Why not just go to Parts Dept and get a new hose instead.....? Don't believe it'll be expensive, but if you preferred, go to HomeDepot and buy the right size hose and cut the fit length.....

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Old 06-26-2001, 12:22 PM   #3
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Get the factory hose! It's cheap. Anything that can't withstand crankcase fumes will just rot and you'll be back where you started.

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Old 06-26-2001, 10:14 PM   #4
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Well, when my 95 SL2's hose had some cracking on the ends, my retailer said he'd have to order one.

I think a proper length of gas line hose would work as well, but you'd have to allow some length for the bends.

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Old 06-27-2001, 08:06 AM   #5
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My dealer can usually have special order parts within no more than a week without any special effort on their part. Truck comes every saturday.

Why not order it and be sure you have the right item?

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Old 06-27-2001, 08:36 AM   #6
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Getting it from saturn might assure the exact size and fit; it also assures insanely high prices (relitively speaking in this case)...and I'd rather not get the same hose again & again...and be replacing it every 12k miles! Ok, Price is Right time: I say the oem hose is.. > or = to $20 (let's see who's closest, lol)
I went to home depo. last night they had a few 'glues' that were resistent to oil/high temp and joined almost any material to another; seems like the best deal at the time.

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Old 06-27-2001, 10:56 AM   #7
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I replaced the short molded hose from the PCV to the intake on my SW1 with the factory part. I think is was all of $2.35. I took care of my brother's Wrangler for thirteen years, and it had a crankcase ventilation system that must have been designed by F.W. Woolworth. The hoses were constantly rotting and collapsing, and replacing them with fuel line hose only perpetuated the problem. Chrysler finally came out with an updated system which I installed, and everythig was OK up until the time he traded it. Point is, fuel lines work with gasoline, but not with crankcase fumes or blowby.

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Old 06-27-2001, 12:54 PM   #8
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Maybe your dealer's just high.

May want to try www.irontoad.com, a franchised Saturn dealer that discounts.

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Old 06-29-2001, 11:32 PM   #9
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!!!!!!WARNING!!!!!!!!!

If this hose is becoming detached, PLUG IT, or PLUG THE HOLE where it enters the intake tube!! If you don't do that and you're using the car, you are sucking UNFILTERED AIR AND GRIT into your engine!! Remember, that tube attaches to the intake AFTER the air filter!!

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Old 06-30-2001, 06:50 AM   #10
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personally i would say just get the hose from the dealership.. it probably costs under $5 and should last quite a while... maybe you just got a bad one, but on the past 6 saturns that my family has owned... between me and my dad we have never had a problem with the factory line and one of them had almost 125k miles on it.

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Old 07-01-2001, 06:23 PM   #11
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thanks for the warning, its not as bad a prob. as that however...the hose is coming loose (not totally off) of where it meets the valve cover. It gets to be like 1/2 off, and oil begins to ooze a little down the side of the valve cover.
Think I'm going to avoid the issue all together, and put back on my intake & its hose (which is very tight). Just have to get the end of the intake tube cut a bit (I swear, NO ONE has tubing/pipe cutters for greater then 2.5" pipes!!!) Next stop: a plumbing shop, then a muffler place if the pluming place doesn't have one.

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Old 07-01-2001, 07:59 PM   #12
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Another comment about the hose, mine isn't bad enough to leak or fall off.

But I also have to wonder if there is some sort of mechanical problem causing LI350's hose to come off - e.g. abnormally high pressure inside the cam cover?

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Old 07-02-2001, 11:45 AM   #13
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I don't think anything abnormal's going on, the hose is dry rotted (or at least looks so), it is weird how it got that was in just 12k miles (a year). What would cause higher then normal pressures anyway?

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Old 07-02-2001, 12:40 PM   #14
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PCV valve not working properly.

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Old 07-02-2001, 01:13 PM   #15
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oh yah (duh eh?) Just replaced the pcv valve a few 100 miles ago.

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Old 07-02-2001, 05:34 PM   #16
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LI 350 (07-02-2001 01:13 p.m.):
oh yah (duh eh?) Just replaced the pcv valve a few 100 miles ago.
Perhaps I am taking your response incorrectly ( if I am I apologize) BUT THERE IS NO NEED to fire off a jerk response. YOU asked what may cause higher than normal pressures. I believe that I answered the question in a polite manner. I have no way of knowing that you have replaced the PCV valve already.
If you have a bad hose spend the money, go buy one from the Saturn parts department, put the thing on and see what happens. If it doesn't come off then the problem is fixed. If it still comes off find out what is causing it or put a hose clamp on the stupid thing.

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Old 07-02-2001, 07:54 PM   #17
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LI350;
In your post at 11:45 today,you asked a straightforward question....."What would cause higher than normal pressures anyway? "

At 12:40 pm,SSICARMAN replied..." PCV valve not working properly. " I find nothing wrong with the response under the circumstances.

Frankly,I find your reply at 1:13 pm needlessly sarcastic.There are a lot of members on this board who have been greatly helped by Saturn techs and others like SSICARMAN and we all appreciate them taking the time to help us.If you keep on this way,I would not be at all surprised if you found that you stopped getting answers not only from SSICARMAN,but from all the other Techs as well.IMHO.No one likes being insulted for no cause.

Please lighten up,not only for your own good, but for the good of the rest of us who would like to continue getting advice and help from guys who know what they are talking about.

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Old 07-03-2001, 07:00 AM   #18
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Just my 2¢, I didn't read the comments as snide, rather self-deprecating, like, "Duh, how could I be so stupid not thinking of the PCV valve." Then, throwing out the info that it was changed, therefore not causing the problem.

Like ssicarman, don't jump the gun -- it's too easy to misunderstand people sometimes on these typed forums, so you have to give benefit of the doubt.

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Old 07-05-2001, 09:04 AM   #19
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wtf.....wow ok. No, my response meant exactly what it said; I had not been thinking of the pcv valve (hence the 'duh'). Heartbeat, you hit it on the nose. Thanks for the suggestions guys, and again, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

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Old 07-06-2001, 11:06 PM   #20
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LI 350,

There is nothing wrong with replacing the hose with bulk hose sold at autoparts stores as long as you get the right stuff.

Fuel line hose is made to withstand internal pressures.

Vacuum line material is designed not to collapse under vacuum.

If your local auto parts store doesn't have the correct stuff bend some steel tubing in the shape you need and just make rubber hose ends with clamps to make your connections.

I discovered this one day while replacing a vacuum line for a power brake system with fuel hose. The hose would collapse and restrict the vacuum.
Went back to the store and discovered the difference between pressure hose and vacuum hose.
The vacuum hose has stiffer walls to resist collapse. Where as the fuel line has fiber mesh to take internal pressure.

Some of the "junk" auto parts stores like some of the big chains won't know about the different types of hoses, they just buy neoprene and get all the different sizes. But trust me, there are differences and it does make a difference.
You may even find that there are high performance silicone hoses that will take very high temps. Check out race shops for advise and availability.

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