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Old 05-06-2019, 01:43 AM   #1
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Default Replaced timing chain now it's a no crank no start

Hey so I have had my 2006 Ion 4 door
2.2 ecotec L4 5 speed without AC
I love this car! It ran so great for 3 years and it finally needing some repair. I ended up with the original issue wich was cranked but no start narrowed it down to a broke timing guide so I replaced it with a Cloyes timing kit and had no really much problem until I went to turn the key and it did the exact same thing. Found out i fudged up the placement of the exhaust cam sprocket. Replaced that and tried to start car again but this time it threw me a huge curve ball and turned into a no crank job start issue. Gauges and lights work. Although I get a message I've never had befor and its power steering. As well as my battery light and check engine light always stayed on when in the aux or accessory key position now they go out at the same time as my anti theft light. When I turn the key its basically a click. No clue why as I didnt go near the the starter or any starter related component other than the battery that i disconnected during the repairs. I put new spark plugs and serpentine belt on it as well. Fuel seems to be good as I get spray from the silver fuel line under the coil pack. Oh I also have two coil packs that I've tried. One was the park that was in it upon me buying it. Another is from a pick a part lot during troubleshooting the very orginal issue befor finding the timing issue. I'm quite lost as I'm not mechanically inclined at all. Quite the amateur for sure.

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Old 05-06-2019, 07:03 AM   #2
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Default Re: Replaced timing chain now it's a no crank no start

1- How many miles on this car?

2- Did you perform timing chain replacement correctly or not? Incorrect timing can result in damage to valves, pistons and connecting rods. Any damage can result in erratic startup, erratic engine running, a jammed engine with a single grunt from the starter or the engine never starting up.

3- You can test the starter (leave ignition OFF) by jumping across the starter relay terminals with a wire or screwdriver bridging the large terminal with the battery positive cable and the small terminal with a single wire (purple?). This bypasses the starting circuit and sends battery power to the starter relay, closes heavy duty electrical contacts in the relay to send battery power to the starter motor. The starter should power up immediately to crank the engine. If you hear only a click or nothing, the battery may be discharged and not have reserve power, battery cables are corroded and/or loose. Lastly, the starter is worn out.

You may have several problems. Once you determine why the starter doesn't turn, the next problem may be one of several things; fuel, spark or electronics preventing both. Seeing fuel squirt from the fuel test valve only shows the fuel pump and pressure to the fuel system. This doesn't tell you if injectors are operating.

If you get the starter to turn over the engine, try starting fluid sprayed into the throttle body. Spraying starting fluid tests the ignition system (spark) and should get the engine to sputter or startup. There's more if you get to this point (engine turning over) and the engine still won't fire up.

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Old 05-06-2019, 11:10 AM   #3
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Default Re: Replaced timing chain now it's a no crank no start

Thanks for the reply,
The car has about 220 000kms. For the 3 years I owned it I was a pretty big stickler with keeping it maintained.

After replacing the timing chain I followed the cloyes video provided. It seems right. Only thing I did wrong was installed the exhaust cam sprocket in wrong... key ways were right but I didn't have it at the right spot(10 clock) then tried turning it over with the bad sprocket location... it at least cranked but didnt start. after buying a new tty bolt for it I put the sprocket in properly and and reset the lobes for the cams. Also I reset my tensioner as I had it activated. Reset it and reactivated it as well. Torqued it all to spec and now when I turn the key it wont even crank. So I figure the timing chain must be right tho as I can turn the harmonic balancer by hand quite effortlessly until about 3ish to 6ish then compression happens and it's a smidge harder to turn but still goes with no binding or any slack on it.

I have not tested starter as I'm having difficulty finding it. I am very new to taking cars apart. Nor have I found it to tap on it liek other videos I've watched.

I'd say the valves are fine due to the harmonic balancer spinning with ease. That's just my uneducated diagnosis tho.

The car ran absolutely beautiful up until this timing chain fail. Cranked over reliably in hot or cold weather. Not much sputter. I did notice the spark plugs had nothing left to them as it was hardly getting spark from only 2 of 4...before the issues. Hell I even replaced the woodruff key on the crank

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Old 05-06-2019, 11:31 AM   #4
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Default Re: Replaced timing chain now it's a no crank no start

This isn't the right time to learn about 4-stroke engines but you're making headway. Every 4-stroke engine with cams or overhead valves works basically like this; for every 720 degrees of crankshaft rotation (two full revolutions) the camshafts turns one revolution. Top dead center is referenced against #1 cylinder with intake and exhaust valves closed with piston at top dead center. Timing marks on the crankshaft pulley and camshafts align with pip marks cast into the engine block or cylinder head. This is mechanical timing to sync valves opening and closing with crankshaft revolution. Whatever method you used to arrive at correct timing, spark plugs should be removed so compression doesn't occur. Verifying mechanical timing should be done manually by turning the crankshaft with a wrench or ratchet and socket with an extension pipe for greater leverage. At no time should the engine lock up. All the resistance felt while turning the engine over by hand are all the valve springs resisting compression. If valve springs weren't used, there'd be zero resistance in turning the engine. The key to correct timing is attention to details, lining up all timing marks before putting a chain back on then verifying timing by rotating the crank two full revolutions before timing marks line up again, without locking up anywhere.

If the engine turns over without spark plugs in place, the next step is to try the starter as suggested previously. Be sure the battery is fully charged to eliminate battery and battery cable issues. A compression test may be needed (borrowed from AutoZone) to check for possible damage to valves. Squirting some motor oil into each cylinder helps seal piston rings for better compression numbers and for checking for any damage if timing wasn't done correctly.

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Old 05-06-2019, 11:43 AM   #5
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Default Re: Replaced timing chain now it's a no crank no start

Lol I've been told that a few times now. Especially cause it's a 06 saturn. I must admit I love this car way to much and am willing to put the work in to fix it.

That's the part I think I'm having troubles with is making sure those lobes are in the correct spots. I followed a video on YouTube but it was for a 2.2 cavalier. Same engine but not same car.

I di remove the plugs when manually spinning the harmonic balancer crank with a ratchet and extension. Its moves nice and easy (without spark plugs in) minus a smidge of resistance like I noted before. Never jams seizes or binds up. I sat down there spinning it probably 60 times and those timing Mark's on the chain never aligned back up with the Mark's on the sprockets. I have a buddy who owns a mechanic shop tell me that those Mark's would hardly like back up after a hundred revolutions. The math makes sense too as if the link has approx 54 links then spinning it 720 degrees would only move about a smidge and half of the chain. So even 1440 degrees wouldnt align back up to the Mark's on both. He said as long as the cam intake and exhaust sprockets came back to 10 and 2 after 720 degrees or two revolutions I'm golden for timing. Wich mine do. They always come back to 10 and 2.
So that's when I put it back together again for the 2nd time only to get the darn no start. It at least cranked after the first attempt with the wrong sprocket location. Now that I fixed that it won't start.

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Old 05-06-2019, 04:24 PM   #6
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Default Re: Replaced timing chain now it's a no crank no start

Update:

Located a corroded positive wire coming of the main positive harness from the battery. It led right up to my ignition. Spliced a new quick connect harness on it and turned they key... it fired up for literally 1 second. Actually was running!!!!! Yay!! Then it died. I checked my timing again and noticed it somehow again my exhaust cam sprocket moved from the 10 o'clock position to about 11oclock.

Not sure if I'm doing the timing right as some people say the coloured links on the chain will hardly ever line back up with the markings engraved on the sprockets but the cam sprockets will always come back to 10 and 2 after 2 revolution or 720 degrees. Is that true? Or should they always stay in sync with eachother?

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