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Old 02-27-2021, 10:05 AM   #1
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Cool Ion battery died and now no radio

I have a 2007 Ion and the battery died. It sat for a few days in the garage. I disconnected neg and positive terminal replaced battery and now there is no OEM radio. It doesn't turn on now?

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Ok tested radio fuse and the fuse was good. Factory radio still not comming on?
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Ok tested radio fuse and the fuse was good. Factory radio still not comming on?
Check your other accessories. Is there anything else that doesn't work? I'm just trying to rule out a larger fuse upstream from the radio fuse. The radio may have just went bad, but they're generally pretty robust. I've never heard of the later 2006-2007 radios suddenly not working. The older ones did fail quite a bit though, especially the 2004-2005 MP3-capable radios with the turquoise display. I personally had two of those go bad.

I make sure your RAP (retained accessory power) accessories work. Those are the things that stay functional for a short bit after the key is turned off before opening a door.

The next step would be to test for switched power, constant power, and ground at the radio connection.
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Dizzy Re: Ion battery died and now no radio

All I can say is everything else in the car works such as heat/ac dome light ect ect so all else seems normal.

I have seen other threads that other Saturn owners have experienced the exact same problem but none offer a solution. I will copy some links in the next comment.

Pictures below are of me pulling the radio out to see if there is a fuse behind the radio and I actually took the top cover off to see if there is a fuse inside the radio. Unfortunately there is not. What other fuses are up stream? and what PIN in the wiring harness of the car was could I test to see if power is making it's way to the radio? Sorry I'm not the best at reading wiring diagrams but if I knew what PIN I could test that for 12v
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Question Re: Ion battery died and now no radio

First article is from these forums. No my Saturn was never jump started.

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=159152

https://www.lifewire.com/radio-stopp...ry-died-534633

https://www.fixya.com/tags/saturn_io...adio_wont_work
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All I can say is everything else in the car works such as heat/ac dome light ect ect so all else seems normal.

I have seen other threads that other Saturn owners have experienced the exact same problem but none offer a solution. I will copy some links in the next comment.

Pictures below are of me pulling the radio out to see if there is a fuse behind the radio and I actually took the top cover off to see if there is a fuse inside the radio. Unfortunately there is not. What other fuses are up stream? and what PIN in the wiring harness of the car was could I test to see if power is making it's way to the radio? Sorry I'm not the best at reading wiring diagrams but if I knew what PIN I could test that for 12v
I didn't remember those radios failing in the Vue when I made my previous post, but I see now that it actually was a common problem. I actually posted in the thread in the top link you shared. In my defense, it was over 10 years ago. The 2006-2007 Ion uses the same radio as the 2006-2007 Vue, so it is applicable.

Here's a link to the wiring diagram you need.

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/att...3&d=1318482920

The pins on the ends of the connector (C2) should be labeled so that will help you find which wires to test.
pin 1 is +12V and should be hot at all times (orange wire)
pin 8 is ground (black with white stripe)
pin 14 is switched +12V and should be hot when the key is on or when RAP is active (yellow wire)

If you end up needing to buy another radio, you must use one from a 2006-2007 Ion or Vue. As long as it's not brand new, it won't need any programming contrary to what most sellers will tell you. Also, you can't use a radio from any other GM vehicle that looks similar. The Saturn radios still use a switched +12V wire to turn it on/off whereas the other GM radios do not - they're commanded on/off by the BCM.

You may be better off installing an aftermarket radio, but I can understand if you wanted to install another OEM radio.
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You are full of great information!

I will test the pins this weekend with my test light with the info you posted. I will report back.

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Does the radio signal wire go through the BCM? I think the BCM is by the fuse panel in the cabin.

I wounder if I have power at the fuse but the signal goes through the BCM to the radio or vise versa. Can you check and see if this is the case.

I'm still going to check 12v at the radio connection this weekend.
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Does the radio signal wire go through the BCM? I think the BCM is by the fuse panel in the cabin.

I wounder if I have power at the fuse but the signal goes through the BCM to the radio or vise versa. Can you check and see if this is the case.

I'm still going to check 12v at the radio connection this weekend.
The BCM and interior fuse panel are one in the same part. The radio's switched +12V power is sourced from output of the ACC relay before it is routed through the Radio (ACC) fuse. That relay is closed by the BCM when the ignition is switched on. After the key is turned off, the BCM keeps the ACC relay closed for a few (10?) minutes or until the driver's door is opened, whichever occurs first.
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Update:

Tested orange wire and and there is power

There is power with the yellow wire but what is RAP?
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in the owners manual

RAP Retained Accesory Power

Does my radio have XM Theftlock? Please see picture of owners manual?

You mentioned that 06 and 07 Ions and Vues do not have theft lock?
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in the owners manual

RAP Retained Accesory Power

Does my radio have XM Theftlock? Please see picture of owners manual?

You mentioned that 06 and 07 Ions and Vues do not have theft lock?
XM Theftlock is only applicable to the external XM satellite radio tuner (if equipped, it was optional) which communicates with the BCM. These radios actually don't have any anti-theft measures built into them.
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Well I ordered a used OEM radio off Ebay for $50 that has a warranty that it works from a 2006-2007 Saturn Ion/ Vue yes part number matches off side of radio, however the Ebay "seller" (I have no idea their knowledge of this OEM radio) informs me that this radio will come LOCKED? ? ?

I'm gona take a gamble and go ahead and get it and see what happens as this option would still be cheaper than a $200-$350 after market single din radio with installation parts and labor.

I took the old radio apart to see if there is a Eprom security chip that holds the car's VIN# and didn't see the security Eprom chip so I don't think this radio comes LOCKED as you described. I will keep you posted what the results are.

https://youtu.be/KOhmGpKmrTM
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This is the picture of the used OEM radio I am purchasing off Ebay what does that dot on the left side of the LCD screen mean? I dont recall seeing a dot on my screen before. Any ideas.
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Hopefully picture of the dot on the LCD screen uploaded this time. That dot doesnt mean its locked does it?
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Hopefully picture of the dot on the LCD screen uploaded this time. That dot doesn't mean its locked does it?
As I already said before, these radios can't be locked because they don't have any anti-theft measures built into them (unlike the older ones that do). I'm sure the message saying it will come locked is just a catch-all blanket statement the seller copy and pastes into all their radio listings. I can assure you it's not applicable here.

The dot you're referring to simply indicates a CD has already been inserted.
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Way back in 2006 you mentioned these radios needed calibrating from the dealership if we install ourself?

What does calibrating refer too?

See picture for details

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Way back in 2006 you mentioned these radios needed calibrating from the dealership if we install ourself?

What does calibrating refer too?

See picture for details

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After scouring through my attachments on this forum, I found a TSB that I uploaded on 7/21/2009 (link here) which states the VIN actually does need to be programmed into the radio if your car has the factory XM radio option/tuner. The TSB says the radio will display "XM Theft lock" until this occurs. I don't know (the TSB doesn't specify) if this will be displayed all the time or only if the the XM source is selected.

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty confident this will only be an issue if your car came with the factory XM radio tuner option. There was a member a while back that installed one of these in his S-Series without any trouble.

As far as my previous calibration reference goes, that was 10 years ago. At that time I didn't know the Saturn 2006-2007 radios didn't work like the other GM radios that are controlled by the BCM (like I mentioned earlier in post #6 of this thread). I don't know what is needed regarding calibration for these 2006-2007 radios. For the older 2004-2005 MP3-capable Ion/Vue radios, if it was a brand new radio, an equalization curve (Ion coupe, Ion sedan, Vue; non-amplified/amplified) needed to be programmed into into it. The display would show "CALIBRATE" until this was done.
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Just an update the parasitic draw was diagnosed by a professional that the "radio memory" was drawing 330 milliamps so the factory radio was the cause of my parasitic draw. Then randomly my radio died.
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Finally got replacment OEM radio from a 06-06 Ion/Vue and plugged it in. It worked just fine so there was no security features as you described.

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