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Old 08-26-2019, 08:41 PM   #1
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I know none of this makes it better more reliable ECT. But it's kinda a play toy so I don't mind playing with it.
It already has an exhaust system.
Would a header be worth it?
What about a cold air intake?
Lowering kit to handle better?
Wire tucking the engine bay just for looks?

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Old 08-27-2019, 12:16 AM   #2
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If it's a SOHC the single best thing you can do is swap for a DOHC. Nothing short of boost or NOS beats the power gain, especially for '91-'94 SOHC's. No bolt-on is worth the cost for a SOHC, it just can't utilize the extra airflow.

If you're asking about the '95 SL2 listed in your profile then a '91-'92 header is worth upgrading to otherwise it's not worth the cost (I'm assuming the '91-'92 header and dowpipe can still be had for $50 while the OBX copy is $200+, if this has changed then it may be worth it).

CAI's are a PITA to route and keep from rubbing a hole in the pipe. 2.5" or 3" PVC pipe with a Spectre filter is far more cost effective than anything else you could buy...even if you have to buy a hacksaw to get the straight lengths correct. WAI's are just stupid and don't do anything but let fellow car people know you're a knot-head.

I believe the only lowering springs you can still reliably buy are H&R Sport's. They lower roughly 1.4/1.3" f/r. I wouldn't replace just the springs unless you know the struts have been replaced recently, it's no fun paying for an alignment twice when the stiffer springs quickly kill what's left of stock style struts (KYB's are stiffer/quicker on the fronts than stock, they'll last longer).

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Old 08-28-2019, 01:38 AM   #3
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If it's a SOHC the single best thing you can do is swap for a DOHC. Nothing short of boost or NOS beats the power gain, especially for '91-'94 SOHC's. No bolt-on is worth the cost for a SOHC, it just can't utilize the extra airflow.

If you're asking about the '95 SL2 listed in your profile then a '91-'92 header is worth upgrading to otherwise it's not worth the cost (I'm assuming the '91-'92 header and dowpipe can still be had for $50 while the OBX copy is $200+, if this has changed then it may be worth it).

CAI's are a PITA to route and keep from rubbing a hole in the pipe. 2.5" or 3" PVC pipe with a Spectre filter is far more cost effective than anything else you could buy...even if you have to buy a hacksaw to get the straight lengths correct. WAI's are just stupid and don't do anything but let fellow car people know you're a knot-head.

I believe the only lowering springs you can still reliably buy are H&R Sport's. They lower roughly 1.4/1.3" f/r. I wouldn't replace just the springs unless you know the struts have been replaced recently, it's no fun paying for an alignment twice when the stiffer springs quickly kill what's left of stock style struts (KYB's are stiffer/quicker on the fronts than stock, they'll last longer).
Would be for a 2002 sc3 manual.

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Old 08-28-2019, 02:55 PM   #4
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25 wet shot of nitrous is the easiest.


Nothing else will make a difference and adding a turbo is a DEEP rabbit hole.

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Old 08-28-2019, 06:47 PM   #5
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Get another toy that has some aftermarket support...

I don't think any major aftermarket manufacturer has considered the Saturn S series to be a "tuner" car, so you're not going to find much. The cars were made as cheap as possible, made to get you from A to B, and get good gas mileage while it's at it. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone trying to tune their Saturn S on a dyno...


Just my $0.02

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Old 08-29-2019, 03:49 PM   #6
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^^^^ second that by uranus!!

saturns are dailys, except for seanr's ride!!!! personally i always wanted to do an LS swap in mine. but i asked him what was involved and to much fab work that was beyond my experience.

easier to start with something that has a following, will not cost an arm & leg to do and good luck finding parts!! unless you have the knowledge and capabilities to make your parts.

but if u decide to do it GOOD LUCK!!!! i really hope you the best!!

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Old 08-29-2019, 08:57 PM   #7
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saturns are dailys, except for seanr's ride!!!! personally i always wanted to do an LS swap in mine. but i asked him what was involved and to much fab work that was beyond my experience.
Yeah there are a few exceptions lol but look at what has to be done...


No one ever considers my other ride, a 2004 4x4 Blazer, to a "performance" vehicle either, but I'm shoehorning a 500hp LS3 into it so it'll be digging in that territory a little lol but it's a LOT of work... BUT, the S-chassis that it's based on has a TON of aftermarket support, and there are companies that make complete V8 swap kits for it (granted not for a 4x4, but that's where some clever parts mixing and matching comes in). A lot of that project will be bolt together, but a lot will also be one-off hand made parts, from the engine harness to the exhaust.

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Old 08-29-2019, 10:03 PM   #8
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I think SeanR's LS4 swap is cool. Would be fun to do someday. A supercharged 3800 would be cool also.

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Old 08-30-2019, 12:08 AM   #9
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If I wanted performance, I would get myself a 2000 Mustang SVT Cobra R. Until then I will drive a Saturn 1998 SL2.

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Old 08-30-2019, 02:16 AM   #10
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It doesn't need to be bad fast just a cool modded Saturn lol. A little bit extra vroom vroom from bolt ons would be nice..where can I get better engine mounts and things like that

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Ultimately, all cars are slow. If you want to go fast you should get a motorcycle.

Ultimately, all motorcycles are slow. If you want to go fast you should get an airplane.

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Old 08-30-2019, 09:12 AM   #12
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I don't think anyone has any new aftermarket parts for the S-Series on the shelf anymore, for premade stuff your best bet is Sixthsphere.com:
OBX is the only semi-quality brand I know of making header's for a 3rd gen and they're currently going for $400-$500 when 5-10 years ago they were $150 or so. Just found another brand for $250 "Maximizer Stainless". Can buy a welder and all the gear for the OBX price, probably a metal chop saw too with the right coupons then just make it yourself.

CAI you can make from the local hardware store's PVC pipe section (2.5" pipe I believe), should be under $15 in "actually used" materials but may be closer to $530 with their minimum length requirements.; plus whatever you can get a Spectre cone air filter for.

The engine mounts can be firmed up with 3M Window Weld.

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Ultimately, all motorcycles are slow. If you want to go fast you should get an airplane.
Uhhh, me thinks an airplane means at the least a sport class license if not a ppl plus lessons and all the bureaucratic paperwork to prove one's ability to fly, look and avoid while working the radio.

I worked up my driving skills from car to street legal motorcycle then back to cars. Cars to motorcycles is a good step for power but then again skills are needed to pedal shift motorcycles. Tesla? They make real go fast pedals (YouTube showing Teslas leaving ice cars in their mirrors on drag strips). And no tinkering with super or turbo charging, massaging ECUs, dyno time and every beginners mistake of blowing up an engine from lean mixtures.

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I rode bike up into my mid 20's.

In the beginning, my Dad set the rules on the size I was allowed to ride and I followed them. If I were unable to pick up the bike off the ground, I could NOT ride it, so the biggest I was able to really handle was a Honda CB550.

At that time I was 5'3" (in boots) and 115lbs. I wore a full face helmet and full leathers to make my Mom happy. I also loved the looks I got when I took off the helmet and let my red hair fall down to my waist.

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I was about the same weight in my late teens. A neighbor had a Harley and couldn't rock the bike onto the built in full stand. I gave it a try and managed to heave the beast onto its full stand. My neighbor was in disbelief. I always thought the biggest muscle was between the ears...... Never did go the Arnold Schwarzenegger way. Too much work and then there's 'roid rage.

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I was about the same weight in my late teens. A neighbor had a Harley and couldn't rock the bike onto the built in full stand. I gave it a try and managed to heave the beast onto its full stand. My neighbor was in disbelief. I always thought the biggest muscle was between the ears...... Never did go the Arnold Schwarzenegger way. Too much work and then there's 'roid rage. And ducks don't look cool with muscles - we're liable to sink with the extra weight.

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I had a motorcycle only license for a month or two when I was 16. My first bike was a 1981 GN400. I still have it.

Disclaimer: it's not fast. My FJ1200 was pretty fast. I still have that too but it hasn't run in a while.

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Yeah there are a few exceptions lol but look at what has to be done...


No one ever considers my other ride, a 2004 4x4 Blazer, to a "performance" vehicle either, but I'm shoehorning a 500hp LS3 into it so it'll be digging in that territory a little lol but it's a LOT of work... BUT, the S-chassis that it's based on has a TON of aftermarket support, and there are companies that make complete V8 swap kits for it (granted not for a 4x4, but that's where some clever parts mixing and matching comes in). A lot of that project will be bolt together, but a lot will also be one-off hand made parts, from the engine harness to the exhaust.
i have an 85 Monte SS with an 96 LT1 to 4L60e with an 8.5" rear. engine and tranny from a 9C1 Caprice and rear from a GN. the hardest thing was the wiring which a friend of mine used the stock harness from the caprice and mated it to the firewall, im not an electrical type.

my understanding is some Gbody stuff is swappable with your S-10. heck some people i know used 2wd knuckles and dual piston brakes and were later able to switch directly to vette rotors. want to build one of those as my tow vehicle, this still may happen tho. not as much fab work. nice blazer, ext cab or stepside.

there is one near my house done up with an LS3 as a tribute car to Dale Sr, but this is a 2wd. i never saw anyone do this to a 4X4. please keep us abreast if you decide to do this!!

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Performance is not a word typically associated with Mustangs.........

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Start with the cheap basics, then go from there.........

- NGK Spark Plugs, even if your current ones have 10,000 miles or more on them.

- Plug Wires.

- 5w-30 Syn oil & quality Filter.

- NAPA Gold or other higher flow Air Filter.

- A bottle of Redline SI-1, Amsoil PI, or Techron Concentrate in a tank of gas.

Also have quality Tires, Brakes & Suspension, mandatory for control & braking.


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