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Old 10-06-2017, 12:09 PM   #1
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My car is stranded, I could use a hand figuring this out.

Haven't driven for about a week.
Started fine today (no hesitation, etc), drove less than mile.
Now no start.
No noise. (i.e. no starter noise)
(I don't actually know what the fuel pump sound is like, despite having driven this car for so many years)
Tried a jump start.
Nothing.
checked lots of fuses, they look good
Battery is about 2 yrs old, reads 12.4V
Pulled it and brought it home to charge.
mileage ~ 76K

I don't know how to check for spark.
I'm about 50 miles since I did the cam gasket. Last time I drove I checked the plug wells and they were dry. It has started after I pulled/replaced the ignition wire.

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Old 10-06-2017, 12:25 PM   #2
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How old is the starter, mileage and age? Is it getting power?

Fuel pump sounds like a faint background hum/whirr. But without cranking/starter, having fuel won't help.

Having spark won't matter if the engine won't crank. (check by pulling wires at the opposite end of the plugs, look for spark jumping across the coil towers as someone else cranks)

Starter has to crank engine, pushing one cylinder up in its turn. The valves are attached so that this cylinder, after air is let in, the valves will shut sealing the cylinder, the upward movement compresses the air, and PCM will add fuel and spark at the right time. Without the cranking, having spark and fuel won't matter, so those are not on the "check list for troubleshooting" yet

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Old 10-06-2017, 12:30 PM   #3
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Sounds like either a poor battery connection or a bad starter. Starter is on drivers side engine area under the throttle body area. Get a 2x4 and hit the starter a few times then see if it starts.

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Old 10-06-2017, 12:45 PM   #4
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I have had starter issues on other vehicles at much higher mileage, iirc. I'm at 76K now. Fortunately, I did know about the 2x4 trick, altho I am not clever enough to carry one in the saturn. Can't remember tho, how hard do you hit it?

I'm not familiar with the starter location on the saturn - can you actually get a 2x4 in there? Broom handle should also work?

Power door locks and RKE horn did work, so I assume that means I can rule out battery connection?

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Old 10-06-2017, 12:46 PM   #5
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If it is a manual, and you have a helper, bump start it. Roll along as fast as you can push, pop into second and pop out the clutch. I've done this solo also.

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Old 10-06-2017, 12:58 PM   #6
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I actually tried a push start about 10+years ago and I wasn't able to start it - I thought for some reason it didn't work on saturns? Or perhaps needs more finesse than I have.

Now I'm at the bottom of a hill, so it would be problematic.

I'm headed back over with the battery and will hit the starter.
What next for troubleshooting?

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Old 10-06-2017, 01:32 PM   #7
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Works great on saturns. You don't need much with finesse. Get a few friends.

I'm on my 4th starter. They don't seem to be great.

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Hunt4Steve's photo, attached, flipped and labeled. Starter is the black cylinder here, oil pan/drain bolt at bottom of pic. Roughly at the level of the oil filter

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As always, someone has to verify that the starter is actually receiving 12v on the PURPLE jacketed wire right on the starter itself. Either a voltmeter or 12v test light (on lead connected to ground (clean, bare metal anywhere under the car) is used while someone turns the ignition key to START. IF this is a 5-speed be sure, very sure the car is in neutral and not in gear else if the starter did turn correctly when the key is turned someone may get badly hurt or worse.

No voltage at purple wire on starter? check battery connections, 12v present at starter? Replace starter. $44.78 with free 2-day delivery at https://www.dbelectrical.com/starter.../sc/1-9-liter/

If an automatic trans, there is not that danger of the car moving until yall move the selector from P to R or D.

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Hard to bump/push start any vehicle if the key isn't left in "run"
I believe using a higher gear than 1st, like 2nd or maybe 3rd works better, the engine only needs to be spun to about 300rpm before it'll run on it's own.

If the lights look normal that suggests that the power level is okay and the battery cables are fine. Doesn't mean they are fine as the starter requires more power to do any work (even "click") than any of the lights do, but without a volt-meter of some sort you gotta work with whats "on hand".

Not sure where the best place would be from the top to reach the starter, you really want to hit the middle of it which means snaking something between intake runners 2 & 3 (not a 2x4...), but you might be able to reach the end of it with careful aim sorta from the battery & under the fuel line bracket under the intake manifold.

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