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Old 05-29-2004, 10:39 PM   #1
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Well, while trying to install my new header (which is turning out to be a far more difficult project than it should be), my brother managed to break my A/C hose, which leaked out all it's fluid. Is there a way to fix it for fairly cheap, or is it a lost cause? Basically, he bent the hose, it bubbled up and burst, and it made hissing noises for about 20 minutes while it was leaking everything out.

My A/C worked beautifully up until today. I'm not too happy about this.

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Old 05-29-2004, 10:45 PM   #2
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Assuming that the compressor is fine, you should be able to put a new line on and recharge the system. I'm not sure which car is the one in question here, assuming that with the mention of a header though that it is the '93SC2. That will use R-12 as a refrigerant. I don't believe that can be used anymore, so, the car would require conversion to R-134. Not sure what the cost of that would be.

Also, knowing that you spend quite a bit of time in your car for work, I think it is probably something that is worth fixing. You mention a Honda in your sig though as a "pizza delivering machine", so, if your Saturn is going to be an open road cruiser, it may not be worth it. I think getting some costs would be the first step and see what it's worth, and go from there to decide if you feel that it would be worth it.

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Old 05-29-2004, 11:02 PM   #3
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The Saturn (yes, I'm talking about the SC2 ... the SL1 hasn't moved in a year now) is my main car. The Honda currently isn't road legal. I'll look into the costs of the conversion, but it sounds like this may be a big "ouch."

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Old 05-29-2004, 11:07 PM   #4
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I thought you could still get R12, its just expense since its supply is dwindling.

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Old 05-29-2004, 11:10 PM   #5
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If you look hard enough (and have a big enough wallet), you can still find r-12...

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Old 05-29-2004, 11:15 PM   #6
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I am assuming this is the 93'... That being the case, the refrigerant you lost was R12. VERY EXPENSIVE and available only to licensed A/C technicians. Now would be a good time to convert to r134a. You'll need to replace the damaged hose, the accumulator dryer, and have the system evacuated professionally. You can then install the r134a fittings and charge the system yourself if you like or (recommended) have the shop that evacuates the system do it for you.

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Old 05-29-2004, 11:19 PM   #7
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Sorry to hear.

Which hose did he break? The upper or lower?

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Old 05-29-2004, 11:48 PM   #8
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I am assuming this is the 93'... That being the case, the refrigerant you lost was R12. VERY EXPENSIVE and available only to licensed A/C technicians. Now would be a good time to convert to r134a. You'll need to replace the damaged hose, the accumulator dryer, and have the system evacuated professionally. You can then install the r134a fittings and charge the system yourself if you like or (recommended) have the shop that evacuates the system do it for you.
Wolfman and Saturn-Eh are correct... R12 is available only to licensed techs, supply is tight hence it's very expensive. If you have to ask, you can't afford it...

Also agree with having a pro do it.

I'm hoping my 93SL1's a/c holds together for a while yet.

As for your brother... I think he owes you a case of beer assuming the two of you are of age... and a pizza!

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Old 05-30-2004, 01:04 AM   #9
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I'm underage and can get free pizza from work. Any other suggestions for repayment?

He claims he didn't break it, it broke itself. But it was doing just fine till he bent that hose. I think I'm going to make him pay for the repairs.

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Old 05-30-2004, 01:06 AM   #10
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Old 05-30-2004, 08:52 AM   #11
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R-12 is still legal to use in the US. Canada has banned it entirely.

To purchase, one must be "EPA 609" certified, which takes about 2 hours and $20 online. Open book exam.

It's going for less than $20 per 12 oz. can on e-bay. If you stay with r-12, you can get away with a vacuum & recharge. If you convert, you should flush and change the receiver dryer.

You should check out the MVAC conversion info at

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Old 05-31-2004, 02:23 AM   #12
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converting to r-134 would be easier than tracking down a can of r-12, my autozone is clearancing a ton of those convertion kits for like $30 i think.

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Old 05-31-2004, 12:31 PM   #13
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You can still get R-12 replacement freon. It's not actually R-12 but rather freon that WORKS in the R-12 systems. A shop here sells it for $8.00 a can and you need about 2-3 cans to charge up the AC in a Saturn. My dad and I do it all the time with the Saturns we fix. Simply replace your hose that's broken, and buy some more R-12 replacement freon. You DO NOT have to be certified to use this, it's environmentally friendly. This is the only R-12 replacement the EPA will allow. It's called Freeze 12. Go to this website and take a look, this is what we buy.

http://autorefrigerants.com/co00030.htm

Scroll down until you see the 3 cans pictured. They're 4 ounce blue cans. 2-3 cans of that and a new AC hose will have you back cool again. I wouldn't convert it or get it charged back with R-12 at a shop if I were you, this is cheap and it works.

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Old 05-31-2004, 12:56 PM   #14
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You can get an R12 substitute called Freeze 12, but the R134a conversion is around $30-40 at walmart or something.

IIRC all cars 93 and newer used R134a. Not sure about Saturn though.

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Old 05-31-2004, 01:15 PM   #15
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Keep in mind that freeze 12 is a blend containing 80% r-134a. They mix in 20% of r-142b to get it to carry mineral oil (as used with r-12).

R-12 prices have been coming back down over the past couple years. The amount you need to fully recharge can be gotten on eBay for $50 or so. Check with a local (not chain) A/C shop and see what they charge to recharge with r-12. You know it will work. And you must vacuum the system . . . do you have a pump available?

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Old 05-31-2004, 01:37 PM   #16
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I used an R134 conversion kit on my S10 over a year ago and it's still got cold air.

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