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Old 12-04-2003, 12:44 PM   #21
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The interior is a knockout.., very European.
I agree on this completely.

I think GM should try and market Saturn more as "Euroamerican" Lots of euro flaire from Opel with the lovely American touch

I think the Relay pulls that off nicely.

Hopefully the Next gen L, redesigned ION, redesigned Vue, and Signal all get a European interior like that.

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Old 12-04-2003, 12:49 PM   #22
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And the SUV talk - what a bunch of bunk - it is a freaking minivan, not a SUV and only Ray Charles would confuse it for a SUV.
And that means that in every respect, except towing, it is a superior vehicle.

Of course your right about the similarity (identicle even) with the other three GM minivans. That is not, nowever, necessarily a bad thing.

I am most upset with the idea of Onstar being standard equipment!! This is going to be overpriced.

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Old 12-04-2003, 01:04 PM   #23
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From the outside, the Relay is a minivan, plain and simple. Such vehicles incur a love/hate thing. Personally, I think they all look the same, but given their mission in life, there really isn't a whole lot one can do with them design-wise. OTOH, I was quite impressed by the look of the interior. From the gauges to the trim (the steering wheel's a little funky), this is probably one of the nicest interiors I've seen in a GM car. I can only hope this is a harbinger of things to come.

As for those freaking about how the Relay looks like it's GM siblings, there are very few car companies with multiple nameplates that don't do this to some degree. It's more commonplace than you think.

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Old 12-04-2003, 01:44 PM   #24
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Well, I had to load quick time to see that....

I wonder if they think that we don't know this is a Venture with an XC 90 nose on it? They talk about it like it was a clean sheet design "different from competitors". Different from the Buick, Chebbie, and Pontiac in what way?? And the SUV talk - what a bunch of bunk - it is a freaking minivan, not a SUV and only Ray Charles would confuse it for a SUV.

Please, someone at GM stop sniffing fluorohydrocarbons and give Saturn back to Saturn Fans!!
I couldn't agree more, Piney! It looks so much like a Venture its not even funny! The interior is ok, but did they have to swipe the steering wheel off the new Grand Prix? Looks like those looking for a American minivan will be stopping down to the Ford dealer instead!

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Old 12-04-2003, 04:58 PM   #25
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... Looks like those looking for a American minivan will be stopping down to the Ford dealer instead!
The Freestar / Montery stink! Go look at them in person! Interior is cheap, and the 3rd row seat is baaaad! Yea, it folds into the floor, but it's super narrow, sits on the floor (i.e. knees in your chin), and the well is very shallow.....

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Old 12-04-2003, 06:37 PM   #26
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Hmm, the interior reminds me of the Kia Sedona.








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Old 12-04-2003, 06:57 PM   #27
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Hey Piney......what cars/trucks/vans do you actually LIKE?

We know you like 'Hillary in 2008' - whoa, that's a scary thought.

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Old 12-04-2003, 07:24 PM   #28
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Hey Piney......what cars/trucks/vans do you actually LIKE?

We know you like 'Hillary in 2008' - whoa, that's a scary thought.
I loved my Olds LSS and really liked the Park Ave too- nice, large, safe, reasonably quick luxury cars. I also like Town Cars & the Grand Marquis LS when a large car is in order. My 1997 Miata was a blast to drive - a great car for any amount of money. Fiberglass cars are also a favorite. My cousin has a 2002 C5 6-speed convertible with sport seats and the adjusting suspension that I'd give my eye teeth for.

For a minivan - I'd lease a Town & Country or the Toyota one.

I like the Acura TL, both the old and particularly the new one. Well built, nice interior, and a pretty good value.

Saabs are among my favorites for mid-sized cars.

The Passat is also a nice ride but you have to lease them for cheap as they depreciate like Saturns do.

I've always loved the 1st generation SL2. A really competent little car and fun to flog.

For little sporty cars, the Celica GTS is it. Sure they are small but they are built rather well. The Mini Cooper S is a great little car too.

Trucks - I love the new F150 Lariat crew cab. A buddy has one and it is Lincolnesque inside - really nice. I'd also consider an Avalanche without the body cladding.

OK - that is enough for now.

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Old 12-04-2003, 08:54 PM   #29
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The interior looks great. Very european. Sharp!
The exterior looks outdated already. Hopefully they'll fix it the next model year.

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Old 12-04-2003, 09:02 PM   #30
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The interior looks better than any existing Saturn's.

The exterior is just a typical (boring box) SUV and does not look much different than any of its badge engineered GM cousins - which is because it isn't much different. That video clip from the "Saturn Relay Exterior Designer" is pretty funny (unintentionally). He makes it sound like he did the whole thing from scratch instead of just a different grill and bumper covers ("almost a skid-plate-like-detail"?????). I wonder how I could get a job like that? He could be a spokesman for the White House or the new Coalition Iraqi Information Minister maybe. I guess his actual job is not so much designing anything but in trying to convince us that it isn't just another metal bodied badge engineered GM minivan.

This looks like a nice minivan. I like minivans, they make a lot more sense to me than almost all SUVs, but this minivan just isn't a Saturn. Period.

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Old 12-04-2003, 09:29 PM   #31
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That video clip from the "Saturn Relay Exterior Designer" is pretty funny (unintentionally). He makes it sound like he did the whole thing from scratch instead of just a different grill and bumper covers ("almost a skid-plate-like-detail"?????). I wonder how I could get a job like that? He could be a spokesman for the White House or the new Coalition Iraqi Information Minister maybe.

That dude obviously got a lot in college. A sales pitch like takes years of talking trash to girls at parties in order to develop. Here is to higher education

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Maybe you should change the name of this website to nonsaturnfans.com??

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Nice interior. Smart engine choice. Better than I thought it would be. Price it reasonable and it should sell, though I still don't see these CSVs taking the crown away from Honda, Toyota or DaimlerChrysler.


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The Freestar / Montery stink! Go look at them in person! Interior is cheap, and the 3rd row seat is baaaad! Yea, it folds into the floor, but it's super narrow, sits on the floor (i.e. knees in your chin), and the well is very shallow.....
I'm comparing the Relay to other AMERICAN minivans! None of the minivans made by American companies hold a candle to the Odyssey, Sienna, or Quest. I'm not a huge fan of Japanese cars, but their minivans are the best out there right now. Until the new Caravan comes out, there won't be an American minivan that will truly compete with the Japanese. As it stands right now, the Freestar is the best van this country can come up with. I'm sorry the RELAY is just an ugly parts-bin POS, plain and simple! Unless you have 4 or 5 kids, I don't see why anyone would buy this over a VUE which is a much better vehicle!

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