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Old 12-14-2013, 01:16 AM   #1
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:42 PM   #2
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Check out this Richpin video.
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Cool, looks like a simple and easy modification. I like the override switch idea.

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Old 12-15-2013, 09:07 PM   #3
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Is that even street legal???

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Old 12-15-2013, 10:13 PM   #4
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Is that even street legal???
There is or was talk of it being mandated on all new cars soon. It will work nicely until every car starts doing it.

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Old 12-15-2013, 10:18 PM   #5
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Is that even street legal???
Thats a great question. Probably a state-to-state thing.

I have installed a similar kit onto my son's motorcyle brake light. Similar kits have proven to improve (motorcyle) visibility to a large degree. At least on a bike, I will gladly take a ticket for the added safety factor. (FYI)I have been rear-ended while riding a motorcyle. NO FUN!

I suspect that why he wired in the override switch. If you end up with a cop behind you, just flip the stobe to off.

*I wish he showed a little more detail on how he wired the override. I am guessing he used a 3-way switch, so power goes through the module when "on" and goes around it, straight to the lights when "off".

In any case... I am sold. I will probably order a few of these for our fleet of cars.

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Old 12-15-2013, 10:25 PM   #6
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... It will work nicely until every car starts doing it.
I am a little more optimistic on this! This is just technology taking advantage of biology. The flashing strobe is +10x more likely to be noticed by your peripheral vision.

I don't think most rear-ends happen because drivers ignore a stopping driver. they happen because their focussed vision has been drawn away (on purpose or not), and the standard brake light has not done enough to alert them of the danger. The strobe can improve this!

These are going to save more lives that traffic cameras!!

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Old 12-16-2013, 03:06 AM   #7
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I've been rear-ended on a bicycle once. Thankfully, it was at a low speed.

This makes total sense though. Mercedes had a car (I think the S-class) that would strobe the taillights under panic braking, but they had to get a permit from the US government (according to Popular Science).

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Old 12-16-2013, 10:43 AM   #8
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I thought 2nd gens had a larger 3rd brake light than that mini thing, it's hardly larger than my '96's. My point being...why flash/strobe the smallest light when the larger ones would be more effective?

I'd think you'd be fine with the "100A" that flash's a couple times then stops, the "100B" that continuously flash's would be far more likely to cause legal issues.

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Old 12-16-2013, 12:07 PM   #9
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I would think it would fail inspection when the garage checks all the lights for functionality and sees the light blinking in the rear there going to tell the owner that theres a problem with the 3rd brake light and fail it, The override switch is a nice feature however my opinion is with the light flashing it will be more likely to cause a distraction on the road in traffic and could cause an accident, If that were to happen the police are going to look under the inspection sticker for the signature of the tech that inspected the car and go after them for passing it, Its not good for the owner of the car and the garage they got their car inspected at. Im sure on the fine print of that module it says legal for off road use only.

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Old 12-16-2013, 11:32 PM   #10
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I have lived all over the place and have only had one localle where vehicle inspections were done. ...And that would be easily dealt with by integrating the bypass switch.

I have not seen any evidence to suggest the initial strobe (like the 100B) creates any hazard, and there has been some good indicators that they work well to prevent rear-end collisions.

Plenty of newer cars have sequetial tail lights that are not causing issue with safety. I don't see any real downside, as long as the install is done correctly and does no lead to a short.

I now at least 2 other (motorcycle) riders who have been rear-ended by distracted drivers. In my case, it was LONG before texting, so don't even go there! This is a pet peeve of mine! I would like to slap the crap out of idiot tail-gaters and aggressive drivers risking the lives of everyone in front of them.

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Old 12-18-2013, 04:37 PM   #11
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I've seen these kind of things on motorcycles and while my eye may have been drawn to it, I was also thinking "why is that guy tapping his brakes like that?". Now a car has more brake lights than a motorcycle but I think the same issue would apply (even though there are other lights that are on constant).

The strobe needs to a fast blinker and then stay on, the fast -> slow -> on method I think would be distracting. I think the best method would be the fast strobe for a little longer time frame, thus drawing the other drivers' eye to the fact that you are braking but not distracting them with a Disney World quality light show...

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Old 12-20-2013, 07:09 PM   #12
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Simplified versions of these are in pretty wide use in a lot of emergency and service vehicles. All our ambulances and a lot of City-owned service trucks have LED brake lights that flash very quickly about three times, then stay on steady. Def. attention-getting, and evidently perfectly legal here. The two slow blinks on Richpin's version are annoying.

And I'm sure the effect will be diminished the more these kinds of lights are in use. Diminished, but not completely lost. The industry and driving community went through the same cycle starting in '86, when center stop lights became mandatory on passenger cars.

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