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Old 02-28-2019, 02:05 PM   #1
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Hello all,
My trip odometer never worked (but the actual odometer works) on my 1995 Sl2, I bought it used last year, knowing the condition. I know it is one of the gears on the inside of the cluster, but odometergearsDOTcom doesnt have any listed for 1995+
Are they the same gears for all first and second gens? I would like to fix it before my trip this summer to count my miles.
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:12 PM   #2
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The 95 is a gen 1, buy both gears as the other one is also junk. Your cluster uses the same gears.

Wait for further confirmation on this as I am puling this info from memory as the 95 model year is a soup sandwich.

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Old 02-28-2019, 11:37 PM   #3
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1995 has a Gen-II cluster. Gen 1 clusters seem to eat odometer gears, like a politician lies to the general public.

If your trip odometer is not working, that is due to somebody trying to reset it "0" while driving.

You might be able to get it working, again, by driving the car and pushing the rest button repeatedly. I was able to restore the trip odometer functionality, on my 1988 Chevrolet Beretta, with this method.

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Old 03-01-2019, 02:11 AM   #4
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If you can't get them anywhere, send me the broken ones and I can make them for you on my Formlabs SLA 3d printer. PM me for the address.

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Old 03-01-2019, 03:46 AM   #5
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if nothing else, you could probably pull some gears from a junkyard cluster. There's no real saying how long they'll last being just as old but second gen odometers do seem to be more durable than first.

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1995 has a Gen-II cluster. Gen 1 clusters seem to eat odometer gears, like a politician lies to the general public.

If your trip odometer is not working, that is due to somebody trying to reset it "0" while driving.

You might be able to get it working, again, by driving the car and pushing the rest button repeatedly. I was able to restore the trip odometer functionality, on my 1988 Chevrolet Beretta, with this method.
1995 did have a Gen-2 Cluster --- BUT ---

Gen-2 Clusters were still ANALOG, until the changeover in the late 97/early 98 model year, when they went to a DIGITAL Number readout for the odometer.

When we owned our 97 SW2, it still had an Analog Odometer- but I do know that some 97 model year cars had Analog and some had Digital Odometers.

The Odometer Gears were ONLY present in the First Gen and Early Second Gen Instrument Clusters.

And pushing the reset button repeatedly, is not a good or proper way to get the Gears to reset. The Teeth wear down over time, and there is no guarantee that the larger gear and small gear especially (25 tooth gear), is still intact.

Buy new gears. Period. The time and effort that you put in, to removing the Instrument Cluster to access 2 gears, is very time consuming. The smaller 25 tooth gear is half the size of a dime, while the larger gear, is roughly about the size of a Nickel or Quarter. Better to do it all at once, rather then having to tear into the Instrument Cluster Multiple times. I've been there and done that- Multiple times- it's not fun....

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Old 03-01-2019, 10:07 AM   #7
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Thanks 2NDSOUT

cgg17: Now you have confirmation on what you have to do to fix this thing correctly. Buy new gears as everyone in the JY is in the same condition as yours.

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Old 03-01-2019, 10:21 AM   #8
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In my 1997 SW2 I can hear the gears working as I drive - I can even count the grinds and gauge my distance. Anyone else notice this? It sounds like a mouse grinding his teeth.

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The plastic gears are a common item in the analog clusters used in just about all cars and the plastic used turns into goo due to the grease that was originally used. Seems that there is a huge incompatibility between petroleum and some plastics. If you hear them they are failing. Your best fix is to go buy a 98-99 cluster with the digital odometer.

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Old 03-01-2019, 10:42 AM   #10
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The plastic gears are a common item in the analog clusters used in just about all cars and the plastic used turns into goo due to the grease that was originally used. Seems that there is a huge incompatibility between petroleum and some plastics. If you hear them they are failing. Your best fix is to go buy a 98-99 cluster with the digital odometer.
Out of curiosity, what is the earliest model a 98-99 digital cluster can go into. 96? 95? I have one in my parts car I should probably sell.

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I think the 96 requires some wire switching but the 98-99 are known to swap cleanly and almost all 98s are digital. The 97 should also be plug and play. The 95 is unique and the 96 may be as well. You have to pull all the wiring diagram plug configurations and compare to find out. Some of these have been swapped in the past but I never collected that info as finding the correct year cluster is not that difficult.

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^ ^ ^ yep, 96 and 95 are somewhat unique

96 and 95 not 100% compatible, putting a 95 cluster into a 96 caused DRL not to work; start around post 10
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=136115

96 has the upshift light in different location from later years

99 Anniversary IP (only difference is white face gauges) works with '97 for sure. So 97-99 should all be straight swaps w no issues


Post 27 here has some diagrams for 95, might help with comparing 2nd gens.
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I don't know if pictures are showing up but rc1488 had a '95. I can't see pics because the image host is always blocked for me at work

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I put a 1999 SC2 digital odometer into a 1997 SC2. No issues.

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In my 1997 SW2 I can hear the gears working as I drive - I can even count the grinds and gauge my distance. Anyone else notice this? It sounds like a mouse grinding his teeth.
Same with me. They've been like oe that for years now.

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1996 SW2

My trip meter stopped working (reliably) some time ago. Now the miles digit will go from "0" to "4" miles and never go any higher, while the "10ths" digit continues to spin correctly.

I routinely double check the master odometer against my GPs and it functions accurately.

I write down the mileage at last fillup so know how many miles I've gone by subtracting that number from the current odometer reading. Having driven the car for 23 years, I know (within a few miles) how many miles I've driven just by looking at the position of the gas gauge needle.

If/when the master odometer exhibits a problem, I'll replace both gears,but see no reason to do it now. I can't remember the first car I owned that had a trip meter but I know I got along, without one, for many years.

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That is a problem with the actual mechanical odometer and not the gears.

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So, this will work then? It says 1991-1994, but based off of all of the responses, I will assume this works?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/odometer-re...frcectupt=true

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Yes, 2NDSOUT figured all of this out some time ago and posted the original How-To on changing the gears.

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That is a problem with the actual mechanical odometer and not the gears.
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If that was in response to my comment ...that's good to know. Thanks.

If he entire odometer ever does go "belly up" I, now, won't automatically assume it's the gears that gave way.

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1995 did have a Gen-2 Cluster --- BUT ---

Gen-2 Clusters were still ANALOG, until the changeover in the late 97/early 98 model year, when they went to a DIGITAL Number readout for the odometer.

When we owned our 97 SW2, it still had an Analog Odometer- but I do know that some 97 model year cars had Analog and some had Digital Odometers.

The Odometer Gears were ONLY present in the First Gen and Early Second Gen Instrument Clusters.

And pushing the reset button repeatedly, is not a good or proper way to get the Gears to reset. The Teeth wear down over time, and there is no guarantee that the larger gear and small gear especially (25 tooth gear), is still intact.

Buy new gears. Period. The time and effort that you put in, to removing the Instrument Cluster to access 2 gears, is very time consuming. The smaller 25 tooth gear is half the size of a dime, while the larger gear, is roughly about the size of a Nickel or Quarter. Better to do it all at once, rather then having to tear into the Instrument Cluster Multiple times. I've been there and done that- Multiple times- it's not fun....
Before using the amount of time, and possibility of breaking all the tabs on the upper dash pad, I would at least TRY this method, since A: the gears can reset and work, and B:if his gears are already destroyed, he has lost a few seconds of time versus the time needed to rebuild the cluster, only to possibly tear it apart, break something in the process(winter time + plastic = breaking things easily), or finding that the gears are still intact.

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