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Old 04-10-2009, 07:15 PM   #1
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Default Have the Bridgestone's improved?

I have noticed a lot of people disliking the Dueller H/T's for the Vue. I have 17 inch wheels so maybe the compound is a bit different from the 16 inch pattern where I've seen most of the complaints.

I had my tires replaced at my trusted shop back in December and was shocked to find that they recommended the Duellers. I checked with my brother-in-law who was a tech for Toyota before going to the Army and he said they are good for the 17 inchers too. So I went with them.

I honestly haven't had any complaints about them. They seemed to do pretty well in the rain and snow and I ahaven't had any hydroplaning issues at all yet.

So all in all what do you folks think? I noticed on tirerack.com that the more recent reviews had better ratings for them. Maybe the compounds have gotten better?

Just looking for input.

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Old 04-10-2009, 07:29 PM   #2
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Default Re: Have the Bridgestone's improved?

There's many users that like the Duellers, but a majority of owners had traction problems after they wear down.

All the Duellers I drove had less than 20k miles on them and the traction was still good on these vehicles.

I would say without a doubt that today's Duellers are a better tire than the Duellers made 6-7 years ago.

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Old 04-10-2009, 08:11 PM   #3
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Thank you, Bobby.

I was concerned by the hydroplaning complaint because of having my children in the car a lot. I feel better now.

I do drive very cautiously all of the time regardless of the weather. A big part of that is because I was a volunteer firefighter and 911 dispatcher and I have seen the results of careless driving.

On your comment about the Duellers getting better, I guess that is true too if Bridgestone wants to give customers a quality tire.

Of course, I want longevity, but my main concern is safety and traction since I live in South East PA.

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Old 04-10-2009, 10:22 PM   #4
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Default Re: Have the Bridgestone's improved?

The 17" Duelers have a better rating than the 16". I had the 16" on my VUE (twice) and then I changed to Michelins.

My brother has the 17" Duelers on his 2006 VUE. His VUE rides and handles a lot better than my 2003. The ride is a bit quieter too.

My guess is most of the folks running 16" Duelers did not have a good experience with their tires.

As to what's different? Could be the ply construction and/or compound. Don't know...

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Old 04-10-2009, 10:37 PM   #5
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I have noticed a lot of people disliking the Dueller H/T's for the Vue. I have 17 inch wheels so maybe the compound is a bit different from the 16 inch pattern where I've seen most of the complaints.

I had my tires replaced at my trusted shop back in December and was shocked to find that they recommended the Duellers. I checked with my brother-in-law who was a tech for Toyota before going to the Army and he said they are good for the 17 inchers too. So I went with them.

I honestly haven't had any complaints about them. They seemed to do pretty well in the rain and snow and I ahaven't had any hydroplaning issues at all yet.

So all in all what do you folks think? I noticed on tirerack.com that the more recent reviews had better ratings for them. Maybe the compounds have gotten better?

Just looking for input.
I replaced the Duelers on my 05 Vue after 37,000 miles. They were doing a decent job but I'm cautious about having any tire more than four years regardless of miles.

The interesting thing about Duelers is there are many different flavors. According to Tire Rack customer satisfaction chart (see link) there are nine (9) different Duelers ... and one version is tied for fourth place in customer satisfaction.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS

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Old 04-10-2009, 11:05 PM   #6
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I've had doubts aout my tires when I got my VUE after reading about all the complaints here. But I never had a problem out of them and I have 36K on them. They're actually better then the Goodyear Eagles with the same mileage that I had on my Cutlass.

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Old 04-11-2009, 10:46 AM   #7
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I just replaced the Duellers on my '06 Vue with Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max tires. The Duellers were nearly worn out at 35,000 miles and were starting to hydroplane in wet conditions. Don't have any complaints about the Duellers except I would have liked them to last longer but I guess it was Ok for original tires.

The new Goodyear tires drive and ride about the same but are supposed to give better fuel mileage. According to the Goodyear site, they will more than pay for themselves over their lifetime. That remains to be seen. I haven't had them long enough to check this claim. These tires are new on the market.

I did notice the steering is lighter and the Vue seems to pick up more speed when driving down hills. This might be an indication of less rolling resistance?

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Old 04-11-2009, 03:02 PM   #8
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they still wear fast. we just got 4 rental 08 vues 35k to 42k. all worn out tires.

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Old 04-11-2009, 03:14 PM   #9
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Default Re: Have the Bridgestone's improved?

And just a theory of mine but- I think that the OEM supplied Duellers differ in quality than the same tires you buy from a tire retailer. This might be because in order to meet the line flow rate at the Saturn factory, Bridgestone had to crank out the Duellers faster than what they would normally do and therefore the OEM supplied Duellers aren't as good.

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Old 04-11-2009, 03:57 PM   #10
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they still wear fast. we just got 4 rental 08 vues 35k to 42k. all worn out tires.
Well, if the renters were like me, when it comes to rental cars, I drive 'em like I stole 'em.

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Old 04-11-2009, 05:41 PM   #11
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And just a theory of mine but- I think that the OEM supplied Duellers differ in quality than the same tires you buy from a tire retailer. This might be because in order to meet the line flow rate at the Saturn factory, Bridgestone had to crank out the Duellers faster than what they would normally do and therefore the OEM supplied Duellers aren't as good.

Just a theory though.

They did do that a number of years ago where the car companies would put lower quality tires on yet the same tire bought from a tire store would be of better quality. Supposedly that was outlawed but hey, who knows. It's a good thought that very well may be true.

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Old 04-11-2009, 07:14 PM   #12
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Default Re: Have the Bridgestone's improved?

Mine have worn better then expected. I got 68,000 out of the factory set and replaced them with another set even before indicators were showing. They are looking to get about the same mileage.

I'd have to agree that wet traction after 40,000 miles is not great even with a lot of tread left.

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Old 04-11-2009, 08:24 PM   #13
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they still wear fast. we just got 4 rental 08 vues 35k to 42k. all worn out tires.
The heavier 08 VUE's probably helped accelerate the wear...

On my SC I would always get 50K miles with every tire I had on it.

I anticipate my VUE will do about the same... I'm going to re-install my Turanzas when the Nitto's Red Line Tires wear out.

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Old 04-11-2009, 08:36 PM   #14
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Default Re: Have the Bridgestone's improved?

I got 42K out of my 04 Vue and 47K out of my 06Vue. Both were 16 inch. I could have driven them longer in both cases but chose to be proactive. Even though I thought the Michelins I bought for my 04 and the Kuhmos I bought for my 06 rode better, but my general impression of the Duelers was not that bad.

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Old 04-12-2009, 09:45 AM   #15
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I would doubt it. I replaced my 16" Duelers at 30,000 with Solo-21. The Dulles were always noisy; the Firestone dealer in my neighborhood is not a trust Worthy. Charged Firestone for rotation and didn't rotate the tires. Lost nut covers and on it goes. Go on long road trip in a few weeks , so will see what the real difference is. Bridgestone tires were chosen by Saturn for its ability to deliver to Springhill for just in time production at a low price. Now that said I have 15 Duelers in my 1995 GMC Jimmy 2 wd. Now the traction is fair in snow but they a very quite, And a wearing well.

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have an 05 with im sure original duells on them...bought the car with 31,000 now has 42,000 to me looks like i could go another 10k or so..but one has a slow leak..very very awful in snow(as bad as a honda sport coupe w/o trac control) dread everytime it snows..no matter the amount...and rain..ouy! if its puddlin outside I go nowhere near the speed limit when drivin due too hydroplane....i know they are not new but thought i could go a few more years..last time I had my oil change they were sayin its about time for new tires..they wanted 850 for all 4....and to put duells back on....i know i cant get 4 new for 450 and not duells..u can tell my tread(at lease on orig 05) that they wouldnt last long....im still kinda convince my car was a rental....do they have stick shift in rentals????

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Old 04-12-2009, 02:06 PM   #17
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Hmmm. It does seem to be most complaints are arising from the 16 inch/original tires.

I think that Tom92SCm could be onto something with his theory.

It's a shame the H/T's weren't tested in Consumer Reports latest test. It would be interesting to see what their conclusions would be.

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Old 04-12-2009, 04:35 PM   #18
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I have a 04 with factory Duelers still on it. I have 67,000 miles on them, and they do fine in the rain here in Texas. The noise doesn't seem to be a problem, but I'll know more about that when I change tires. They aren't down to the wear strips yet, but I'm gonna order 4 new Kuhmos next week.

I think a lot of the bad rep comes from people parroting other people's complaints. I spent 10 minutes at a bar listening to a guy rip on the Duelers on his Vue, but when questioned he admitted that HE never had the car with Duelers on it, but a buddy of his did. And of course his buddy "conveniently" worked at a tire place that gets tons of complaints about Duelers.

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I posted on another thread that I expect at least 30,000 from my Duelers, based on current wear, 13,000 miles, and rotate every 5,000 miles. The rear tires look almost new. They have only been on the front for 5,000 miles.

ems1, have you noticed better fuel mileage with the Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max tires? Have they affected cornering ability at all? Thank you.

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I posted on another thread that I expect at least 30,000 from my Duelers, based on current wear, 13,000 miles, and rotate every 5,000 miles. The rear tires look almost new. They have only been on the front for 5,000 miles.

ems1, have you noticed better fuel mileage with the Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max tires? Have they affected cornering ability at all? Thank you.
My driving can be a bit spririted and I haven't noticed any decrease in cornering ability. I don't notice much difference at all in ride and handling but there is much less road noise. Less road noise should be expected when comparing nearly worn out tires to new. I think the less aggressive tread pattern of the Goodyear tires will mean less road noise for the life of the tire. Here is a link to some info about these tires on Automobile mag:

http://automobile.automotive.com/108...res/index.html

I got the 235/65-16 installed w/ tax for $469. At that price it's a no brainer since the fuel mileage saving should pay for the tires.

I haven't driven enough to document an increase in mileage but will check it on the next road trip.

By the way, drove from Philly to Tampa before the tire change and was averaging a little over 25 mpg. Not bad considering the speed was around 80 most of the time.

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