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Old 02-27-2019, 02:35 AM   #1
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Default Well darn, my '99 SL2 laps oil like a BMW

Purchased 11/18 with 77k miles. Original ECTS and thermostat, probably cheap oil changes its whole life and no monitoring of the dipstick. I have changed out those parts and others and the engine is running pretty sweet with good fuel economy for drive cycles and time of year. Fortunately I jump on rebates and clearances so I can deal, as I am sitting on a lot of quality synthetic oil.

I currently have Mobil Super Synthetic in the sump. And so far at 1,3xx miles into the OCI it's looking like about 1000 miles per quart. My '93 never was that thirsty!

I will try a piston soak in a few months to see if that helps, it did help in my '93

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Old 02-27-2019, 07:04 AM   #2
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If you can get a hold of Kreen, try a Pint of it in your oil.

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Old 02-28-2019, 03:09 PM   #3
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I've been having some success with Auto-Rx. It's not as quick as a piston soak, but it's a lot less hassle. You can follow my progress here in the S-Series Tech section.

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^^^great results

Too rich for my blood.

My next OCI, I will do an engine flush with Chemtool. Then MMO with some Mobil Super High Mileage I got at O'Reilly eons ago for a short OCI before transitioning to a diet of Mobil 1

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Old 02-28-2019, 11:41 PM   #5
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Purchased 11/18 with 77k miles. Original ECTS and thermostat, probably cheap oil changes its whole life and no monitoring of the dipstick. I have changed out those parts and others and the engine is running pretty sweet with good fuel economy for drive cycles and time of year. Fortunately I jump on rebates and clearances so I can deal, as I am sitting on a lot of quality synthetic oil.

I currently have Mobil Super Synthetic in the sump. And so far at 1,3xx miles into the OCI it's looking like about 1000 miles per quart. My '93 never was that thirsty!

I will try a piston soak in a few months to see if that helps, it did help in my '93
Please feel free to NOT compare our S-Series, to those overpriced, German built junk heaps, that their manufacturer answered consumer complaints with a statement of "its normal for an engine to burn oil", while selling a trunk-mounted holder for extra oil jugs.......(which probably explains why they got sued, and Saturn didn't....)

Saturn admitted there was problem with oil consumption and tried to correct the problem with both piston cleaning and changing piston composition over the years they were in production.

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^^^great results

Too rich for my blood.

My next OCI, I will do an engine flush with Chemtool. Then MMO with some Mobil Super High Mileage I got at O'Reilly eons ago for a short OCI before transitioning to a diet of Mobil 1
I understand. For me, the results justify the cost.
Which Mobil 1 are you planning to use?
After pulling apart lots and lots of filters, I've seen the best ongoing cleaning from the ones that are ACEA A3/B3(B4) rated.

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I have various flavors. About 40 quarts Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 5w-30, a couple jugs of Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w-30, a jug of Mobil 1 5w-30 and a few jugs of Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w-40, a few quarts Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w-20 off the top of my head, probably more

The Truck and SUV was a clearance item I think from O'Reilly A1/B1, A5/B5. $1.27 each and also took advantage of the XOM rebate on 10 of the quarts for a $24 check.

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Saturn Night said "Please feel free to NOT compare our S-Series, to those overpriced, German built junk heaps".

While not ever owning one (years ago, did sit in one once), IIRC the Rolls Royce automobiles were factory designed to use/burn some oil., like about a qt/liter per 1000 miles/1609 kilometers.
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While not ever owning one (years ago, did sit in one once), IIRC the Rolls Royce automobiles were factory designed to use/burn some oil., like about a qt/liter per 1000 miles/1609 kilometers.
Current models, I cannot tell.
My RX7 had its own separate oil reservoir, that was injected into the rotary chamber to be burned. completely separate from the sump. Car was designed to burn clean, fresh oil.

When the oil reservoir light came on, you were to stop as soon as possible and add another quart into it. I always kept a couple of quarts in the trunk. Loved driving that car.

I don't keep oil in the trunk of my Saturn

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My RX7 had its own separate oil reservoir, that was injected into the rotary chamber to be burned. completely separate from the sump. Car was designed to burn clean, fresh oil.

When the oil reservoir light came on, you were to stop as soon as possible and add another quart into it. I always kept a couple of quarts in the trunk. Loved driving that car.

I don't keep oil in the trunk of my Saturn
I had an RX2 (rotary coupe) that needed a qt every 500 miles, but didn't have any separate oil reservoir. Yeah, a couple of qts in the trunk was mandatory if you wanted to keep the engine running.

But also yeah, seriously fun to drive! It was like having a 3 liter 6 cyl engine shoehorned into a kiddie car.

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I have various flavors. About 40 quarts Mobil 1 Truck & SUV 5w-30, a couple jugs of Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w-30, a jug of Mobil 1 5w-30 and a few jugs of Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w-40, a few quarts Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w-20 off the top of my head, probably more

The Truck and SUV was a clearance item I think from O'Reilly A1/B1, A5/B5. $1.27 each and also took advantage of the XOM rebate on 10 of the quarts for a $24 check.
My personal favorite for these engines (out of your flavors) is the TDT 5w-40, with the 5w-30 HM coming in 2nd. Of course, you can readily mix any of these Mobil 1 flavors, so stretching the TDT or HM in a few 50/50 mixes would give you a lot of the benefits of them while using up the others.

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Please feel free to NOT compare our S-Series
Yes, please don't because it's a ridiculous comparison.
I wasn't going to post but I knew when I saw a dig on another manufacturer that Saturn night would throw his 2 cents in. Spouting off things he's heard or read on the internet (I don't believe he has ever driven a BMW). However, if he has a chance to say something negative about another manufacturer he will (check his previous post). I have owned 3 BMWs and combined they went thru less oil then my Saturn. Yes, like Saturn and other manufacturers there are models/years that are worst then others. If you have owned a BMW you know to compare the 2 cars is rediculouse. They are designed for different drivers with different goals. Don't get me wrong most cars have their strengths; Saturns are reliable, economical and easy to work on. That is the reason I bought one, but when I want to go and enjoy a SPIRITED drive it's my LAST choice. BMW is my first. I don't feel a need to bad mouth other manufacturers especially when its apples to oranges.
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I understand. For me, the results justify the cost.
Which Mobil 1 are you planning to use?
After pulling apart lots and lots of filters, I've seen the best ongoing cleaning from the ones that are ACEA A3/B3(B4) rated.
How much does that Auto-Rx run you? I am planning a rebuild of my original engine, with pistons that have the drain back holes cast in them.

As far as cost, if it means the engine will stay clean, lean, mean gas burning machine, I am considering that cost justifies the use, as I have learned that proper maintenance costs always outweigh the costs of a full breakdown in the automotive world.

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Saturn Night said "Please feel free to NOT compare our S-Series, to those overpriced, German built junk heaps".

While not ever owning one (years ago, did sit in one once), IIRC the Rolls Royce automobiles were factory designed to use/burn some oil., like about a qt/liter per 1000 miles/1609 kilometers.
Current models, I cannot tell.
I own a 1991 Pontiac Grand Am, with the 2.5L Iron Duke, 148,000 miles on it, and it doesn't burn a DROP of oil.

My 1988 Chevrolet Beretta, my 1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS, my 1980 Chevrolet Malibu, my 1989 Ford Escort LX, my 1994 Chevy Corsica, my 1984 Pontiac Fiero, my 1992 Oldsmobile Achieva, my 1992 Honda Accord, and my 1993 Pontiac Grand Am all had 4-stoke, Otto gasoline engines in them(that would be the first design concept for all 4-stroke internal combustion engines), and NOT ONE OF THEM burned oil.

A 4-stroke, Otto gas engine should NOT burn oil.

A rotary engine will burn oil, because its design will not prevent oil from leaking into the combustion chambers. Failing emissions tests are largely why rotary engines have been phased out by Mazda.

Aside from the oil consumption problems, trying to compare the S-Series to a BMW, is also failing in the fact that the Saturn S-Series water pump can well-outlast the original warranty the vehicle came with.

While most other manufacturers claim you should flush your cooling system at varying mileage, the Saturn S-Series should be done @ 24 months/24,000 miles(Green) or 36 months/36,000 miles(Dex-Cool, per Saturn Maintenance Schedule).

With a BMW, I am fairly confident, their maintenance schedules will read: "Every 24 months/24,000 miles - Drain cooling system, flush, replace water pump, replace coolant".........

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Aside from the oil consumption problems, trying to compare the S-Series to a BMW, is also failing in the fact that the Saturn S-Series water pump can well-outlast the original warranty the vehicle came with.
Speaking from his experience with an internet search engine.

Speaking from my experience of owning 3 BMWs (as well as family members and several friends who own BMWs all of which I work on):
3 BMWs and I had to replace one water pump on an 89 325ic at 137,000 miles. The other 2 both have over 100,000 miles with original water pumps.

When you generalize and take stuff from the internet as "fact" it can really make you look foolish. If I do a internet search for "Saturn problems" I see a number of VUEs had premature transmission failure. If I use your (Saturn night) logic then all Saturn transmissions will fail prematurely and I should go out of my way to bad mouth Saturn and spread that "fact" in other manufactures forums.
When I see you do this to BMW I find I don't believe anything you say about any other manufactures in your post. It's mostly negative and rarely first hand.

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Saturn Oil Burning: I'm up here in Canada use Canadian Tire Synthetic. Last year there was a special on Shell Pennzoil Platinum so I bought four 5 litre jugs. BIG MISTAKE. My car used much more oil with it. I switched back to the Canadian Tire type and after the 2nd cycles it is back to where it was before. I tried a MMO soak for over 48 hours, no changed. We owned this car from new, it has always been on Synthetic. It started burning oil at about 300,000km. It now has 460,000 on it. From what I have read, MMO, Seafoam, is all hit and miss. I think the GM Top Engine Cleaner works the best. I plan to try it this summer. My engine, makes no weird noises, no blue smoke, still has plenty of power and will deliver 40 mpg at 55 miles per hour.

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Speaking from his experience with an internet search engine.

Speaking from my experience of owning 3 BMWs (as well as family members and several friends who own BMWs all of which I work on):
3 BMWs and I had to replace one water pump on an 89 325ic at 137,000 miles. The other 2 both have over 100,000 miles with original water pumps.

When you generalize and take stuff from the internet as "fact" it can really make you look foolish. If I do a internet search for "Saturn problems" I see a number of VUEs had premature transmission failure. If I use your (Saturn night) logic then all Saturn transmissions will fail prematurely and I should go out of my way to bad mouth Saturn and spread that "fact" in other manufactures forums.
When I see you do this to BMW I find I don't believe anything you say about any other manufactures in your post. It's mostly negative and rarely first hand.
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...for-fire-risk/

Usually, I don't recall automakers recalling vehicles, when they don't have
a problem.

As I have stated, many times, for what you pay for a BMW, their build quality should be far better than the build quality of our S-Series.

There is one YouTube video, of a 1993 SL2, that flipped its odometer from 999,999 to 000,000. It has an MP7 automatic, too.

Does anybody recall that time, that BMW made with "German precision and quality", made it to 1 million miles?

Yeah, neither do I.......

The difference: A BMW owner pays more money than one could buy a house for, and a Saturn owner didn't break $20k for their car, when it was brand new.

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GTS350, you know why I don't get offended by the remarks and teasing I get at the parts store, when I go in to buy my oil jugs?

I don't get offended by the truth. I know the S-Series is not a perfect car, by design.

And even if my Saturn did not burn oil, I still know that it is a problem with the car.

I have had people post on my YouTube channel, making smart remarks because I have an automatic transmission. Do the automatics have slightly less acceleration, than a manual 5-speed?

Absolutely. Does a well-maintained automatic outlast the manual 5-speed?

Absolutely. I know this, because I understand [B]how[B] a sychromesh-designed manual transmission operates and the design limitations typically give them an average lifespan of between 250,000-350,000 miles.

This is why semi-truck manual transmissions use a different design, with dog-tooth gears, instead of synchronizers for gear changes.

Your thoughts that a BMW is somehow a "better" quality car, for what you paid for it and because you own one, is exactly why you are getting offended.

It is not my problem, nor my fault, that you can't accept the truth that a BMW is just as bad(actually probably worse) than a lot of less-costly cars available on the market.

Are there cars, other than the Saturn S-Series, that I think are reliable, dependable cars and worth their cost?

Absolutely.

Do I ever see posts, containing the mention of those cars? Rarely.

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Default Re: Well darn, my '99 SL2 laps oil like a BMW

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Saturn Oil Burning: I'm up here in Canada use Canadian Tire Synthetic. Last year there was a special on Shell Pennzoil Platinum so I bought four 5 litre jugs. BIG MISTAKE. My car used much more oil with it. I switched back to the Canadian Tire type and after the 2nd cycles it is back to where it was before. I tried a MMO soak for over 48 hours, no changed. We owned this car from new, it has always been on Synthetic. It started burning oil at about 300,000km. It now has 460,000 on it. From what I have read, MMO, Seafoam, is all hit and miss. I think the GM Top Engine Cleaner works the best. I plan to try it this summer. My engine, makes no weird noises, no blue smoke, still has plenty of power and will deliver 40 mpg at 55 miles per hour.
When Pennzoil flows, your engine blows.....

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