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Old 01-02-2007, 03:40 PM   #21
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LUTZ, to bad that GM did away with the monitory retirement age.
I'm assuming you meant to type "mandatory retirement age." Is Lutz really that bad? Would you rather just be swapping badges on the assembly line or building focus group vehicle failures Zarrella style? He may be old and opined, but I'd say he has changed the GM corporate culture for the better.
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Old 01-02-2007, 03:43 PM   #22
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And yet we are not allowed to. I think I said this word before...hypocritical.
Think of the profit difference between the 'Vette and the S-series. That is how the 'Vette can afford to be different.
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:38 PM   #23
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Think of the profit difference between the 'Vette and the S-series. That is how the 'Vette can afford to be different.
It had to start somewhere.
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Old 01-17-2007, 12:39 AM   #24
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>> The new Saturn Vue, Aura and Astra will also hit showrooms next year, as will the new Cadillac CTS sedan.

"If this product line doesn't do well, then I'm out of ideas," Lutz said.<<

He's probably right about that. If these products don't sell, he is also out of a job and Saturn or even GM may be out of business.
For a senior member you are terribly negative about Bob Lutz, Saturn and GM. Lutz's product moves so far are nothing short of brilliant. Lutz and Tom Gale, also a former mopar executive, were well known way back for being Detroits hottest car guys. Pity GM didn't get Gale too.

I was both shocked and delighted When GM hired Lutz. I have known GM corporate VPs who believed that GM was a "financial institution" that was GM thinking at one time. Now aparently GM is thinking of itself as a car builder. As long as GM never forgets their real mission, GM, Saturn and Bob Lutz are safe and sound
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I wonder if it's more than coincidence that since Lutz joined GM, all of Saturn's new vehicles resemble Chryslers!
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:31 AM   #26
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For a senior member you are terribly negative about Bob Lutz, Saturn and GM. Lutz's product moves so far are nothing short of brilliant.
Me negative about Saturn? You have to be kidding. I'm just telling you the truth about the possible consequences if Lutz's strategies do not work. I don't care how brilliant or dim witted an executive is, the test of any product is its performance in the marketplace. I think Bob Lutz would agree.
Just for the record, I hope his current strategies work out for the best and Saturn prospers.
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:37 AM   #27
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I'm assuming you meant to type "mandatory retirement age." Is Lutz really that bad? Would you rather just be swapping badges on the assembly line or building focus group vehicle failures Zarrella style? He may be old and opined, but I'd say he has changed the GM corporate culture for the better.
Swapping badges? Like on the Relay, Outlook, and several announced Saturn/Opels? I don't mean to get personal, but I think the argument can be made that badge engineering is alive at Saturn. As for Zarrella, a good/great car can overcome bad marketing, but for an average car probably it does not matter.

Mr. Lutz is a famous car-guy (and hot dog) who has had very limited success in altering the products or the GM bureaucracy, which is meant to be praise, no matter how slight. Many smarter guys than Lutz have been defeated by the GM bureaucracy. I don't personally care for his style (either personal or in the product), but at least the interiors in GM cars are less embarassing than before he started working there.

It is going to take a lot more than "halo" cars like the Sky to save Saturn or GM.

One other thought: since Opel seems to be Saturn's salvation, how much influence has Lutz had on the Opel product? I know he used to work in Europe, but I don't think his current responsibilities include Europe. (I have faith in my SaturnFans friends to correct me if this is not correct ;-)
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I wonder if it's more than coincidence that since Lutz joined GM, all of Saturn's new vehicles resemble Chryslers!
You mean old Chryslers. And that's not a bad thing--Chrysler Corp. had some nice designs in the 90s/early 00s. Now, new Chrysler vehicles look like Saturns!
The only resembling vehicle I see is the Aura and the old Sebring/Stratus. What else is there?

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Swapping badges? Like on the Relay,
A stopgap that is now out of production.

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Rebadge? Not really...they share similar lines but have different interiors and different exteriors. Next to the outgoing vans though these aren't as bad.

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and several announced Saturn/Opels? I don't mean to get personal, but I think the argument can be made that badge engineering is alive at Saturn.
Saturns and Opels? They don't sell Opels here. You could say that badge engineering is alive and well at Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura since most of those vehicles are badged as Toyotas, Nissans, and Hondas (respectively) in Japan, but since they're not sold as those here it's a null point. Plus, I doubt we'll have the same exact engine choices as Europe. The VUE is a good case in point: we get completely different engines.

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As for Zarrella, a good/great car can overcome bad marketing, but for an average car probably it does not matter.
...And were they good cars? Eh...that's where Lutz comes in.
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The only resembling vehicle I see is the Aura and the old Sebring/Stratus. What else is there?
The Sky is pure Dodge Viper!
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The Sky is pure Dodge Viper!
Looks more like the 60's Stingray to me....
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:21 PM   #31
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I don't think the Sky looks like a Viper, but that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I think it looks more like a Vette, but it has more angular lines than either. If anything, it looks kind of like a baby XLR.

I can't imagine how anyone could think GM would be better off without Lutz. I think Lutz has done some questionable things, but he has brought the car culture back to GM. There is still too much rebadging, but the cars are getting so much better.
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