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Old 10-01-2019, 06:28 PM   #1
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Default How can 2019 cars be as good as my SW2?

I'm not looking to make a change, as the SW2 has been with me since it was new in 1996 and is still serving me well. But, I do look at ads for new cars and have always wondered:

New, my SW2 was just shy of $17,000. According to the online Inflation Calculator, that's (approx) $28,000 in 2019 dollars.

How can a $25,000 2019 car (with some bells and whistles not even thought of, let alone available, in 1996) be as good a vehicle as my (inflation adjusted) $28,000 SW2?

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Default Re: How can 2019 cars be as good as my SW2?

Interesting question. Your 17000 dollar 96 was 17000. You could probably get a 33000 dollar car for 28000 17000 in 96 dollars. Advantage of a car from 24 years ago was it was pretty simple and basic, easy to work on etc.. but so primitive compared to modern cars. Safety and convenience has come a long long way in that time. If you look at it backwards how does a 1996 car match up with a 1972 car. A lot of improvements.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:04 PM   #3
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Default Re: How can 2019 cars be as good as my SW2?

Advances in manufacturing processes and material selection has driven cost down a little too when you try to compare apples to apples. An AM/FM/CD player could have been a premium option in 1996 that tacked an extra $300 to the MSRP, but nowadays it seems like every base model comes with an AM/HD-FM/CD/USB/AUX-in/Bluetooth/XM/footwarmer/makesyoubreakfast radio as standard equipment.

Plus cars are just built cheaper than they use to be as well... Granted there's plenty of exceptions to this statement, and I would honestly say that statement holds more true to cars built from the late 70's to the late 80's, but in general it seems like most vehicles 20-30 years ago were built to last a while. Vehicles rolling off assembly lines today are just built like disposable appliances... in the hundreds of thousands, with the cheapest materials that can be sourced, and assembled by the lowest bidder...

That's just my professional opinion after working in a salvage yard for the last 9 years, dealing with various makes and models from the late 80's to the most current 2020 models...
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Old 10-02-2019, 08:55 AM   #4
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Come back in 2043 and see what 2019 cars are still around and running strong.
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:42 AM   #5
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The new cars have better front suspension and better transmissions. They accelerate faster because the transmissions are better. Well, that and variable timing.
However, if you’re a s l a y e r of transmissions, then you’re better off with an S-Series.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:29 AM   #6
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I'll always keep an S-Series around as a backup because I've taken enough apart where I would wager I could do an entire engine swap blindfolded at a reasonable pace at this point. They're mechanically simple cars that are easy to work on.

When I got hurt earlier this year I had to drive an automatic S-Series for a few months. When I got back into my 2016 Honda the difference was significant. Bluetooth, quieter, smoother all around, etc. Not ALL newer cars are worth dumping your Saturn for ( Mitsubishi Mirage for example is a laugh ) but many probably are..
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The new cars have better front suspension and better transmissions. They accelerate faster because the transmissions are better. Well, that and variable timing.
However, if you’re a s l a y e r of transmissions, then you’re better off with an S-Series.
maybe, but replacing a recent transmission is huge bucks compared to a mid 90's Saturn.
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Come back in 2043 and see what 2019 cars are still around and running strong.
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Default Re: How can 2019 cars be as good as my SW2?

I wonder the same thing occasionally too. My 96 SW2 was a tad over $17k out the door.

I like the small wagon for practicality. That narrows down choices in new cars a lot. I like the manual transmission because it's kind of fun (even at my age). The polymer panels still look pretty good

The car is a little slower than many new cars (one negative).
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Advances in manufacturing processes and material selection has driven cost down a little too when you try to compare apples to apples. An AM/FM/CD player could have been a premium option in 1996 that tacked an extra $300 to the MSRP, but nowadays it seems like every base model comes with an AM/HD-FM/CD/USB/AUX-in/Bluetooth/XM/footwarmer/makesyoubreakfast radio as standard equipment.

Plus cars are just built cheaper than they use to be as well... there's plenty of exceptions to this statement, and I would honestly say that statement holds more true to cars built from the late 70's to the late 80's, but in general it seems like most vehicles 20-30 years ago were built to last a while. Vehicles rolling off assembly lines today are just built like disposable appliances... in the hundreds of thousands, with the cheapest materials that can be sourced, and assembled by the lowest bidder...

That's just my professional opinion after working in a salvage yard for the last 9 years, dealing with various makes and models from the late 80's to the most current 2020 models...
Re-read the bold portion, as that statement hits the proverbial nail on its proverbial head.
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