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Old 06-15-2008, 02:24 PM   #1
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Default 2009 vue to get direct injection v6?

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Old 06-15-2008, 03:06 PM   #2
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The new 2009 VUE two mode Hybrid will have DI. Their logic may be keeping it just on the two mode hybrid could help promote sales.

This model could probably out accelerate the Honda equipped VUE's.

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2009 SATURN VUE GREEN LINE 2 MODE HYBRID WILL BE
THE WORLD'S MOST FUEL-EFFICIENT V-6 SUV

GM's Advanced Hybrid Technology Delivers Up To 50-Percent Fuel Economy Increase
With No Compromises in Performance, Capability

First brand to offer two hybrid options on the same model Third hybrid in Saturn's portfolio
Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle (ATPZEV)

DETROIT The all-new 2009 Saturn Vue Green Line 2 Mode, the first front-wheel-drive compact SUV in the world powered by General Motors' two-mode hybrid technology, is designed for customers who want the outstanding fuel savings of an advanced hybrid and the full power and towing capability of an SUV. The Vue Green Line 2 Mode was unveiled today at the North American International Auto Show.

The Vue Green Line 2 Mode will deliver an estimated 50-percent fuel economy increase over the non-hybrid V-6 Vue. It also is expected to have a driving range of more than 500 miles (800 km).

In addition, the Vue Green Line 2 Mode's 3.6L VVT V-6 engine with direct injection technology ensures there are no trade-offs between performance and fuel economy. Acceleration time from 0-60 is expected to be around 7.3 seconds, and the maximum towing load will be 3,500 pounds (1588 kg).

Production is slated to begin in late 2008.

"The Saturn Vue Green Line 2 Mode challenges the notion that a compact SUV can't be both powerful and efficient," said Jill Lajdziak, Saturn general manager. "Customers tell us they want a compact SUV that will respect the environment and save money at the gas pump, but they don't want to give up performance and utility. We've responded with the Vue Green Line 2 Mode."

The 2009 Saturn Vue Green Line 2 Mode sports the same European-inspired design language of the non-hybrid Vue, completely redesigned for the 2008 model year. Subtle exterior changes include "2 Mode" badging on the front doors and rear liftgate; and lightweight aluminum alloy wheels and low-rolling resistance tires that enhance fuel economy. The Vue Green Line 2 Mode's appearance is further accented by chrome door handles, chrome dual exhaust tips and chrome skid plates on the front and rear lower fascia.

The Vue Green Line 2 Mode features technologies and refinements in the fuel and exhaust systems that classify it as a Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle (PZEV) in the state of California and other states that have adopted California's motor vehicle emissions rules. When it arrives in dealer showrooms in the fourth quarter of 2008, the Vue Green Line 2 Mode will be Saturn's third hybrid, joining the Vue Green Line 4-cylinder hybrid SUV and the Aura Green Line sedan.

The Vue Green Line 2 Mode is GM's first application of two-mode technology on a front-wheel-drive vehicle. The system is currently on the V-8-equipped Chevrolet Tahoe 2 Mode and GMC Yukon 2 Mode full-size SUVs, and becomes available in 2008 on the Cadillac Escalade 2 Mode luxury SUV and Chevrolet Silverado 2 Mode full-size pickup.

How the Vue Green Line 2 Mode Hybrid works

GM's two-mode hybrid system in the Vue Green Line 2 Mode improves fuel economy by the following operations:

Engine off at idle
Low-speed, electric-only propulsion
Cutting off fuel to the engine during vehicle deceleration
Regenerative braking
Energy-efficient accessory systems
Unlike single-mode hybrid technology found in competitors' SUVs, the two-mode system maximizes city and highway fuel economy by integrating two electric continuously variable modes with four fixed mechanical gear ratios. The system consists of twin, active-cooled 55-kW electric motors integrated into the 2MT70 automatic transmission. Energy to power the motors comes from a 1.8 kWh, 300V nickel-metal hydride battery pack, which consists of 22 nickel metal hydride modules and is packaged behind the second-row seat below the cargo floor.

The transmission is mated to GM's 3.6L V-6 VVT with direct injection technology. In the first mode, at low speed and light load, the Vue Green Line 2 Mode operates in one of three ways depending on conditions and battery charge level: all-electric power, internal combustion engine power or a combination of the two. All reverse operation is driven by the electric motors.

The second mode is used primarily at highway speeds to optimize fuel economy. It provides electric assist in addition to six-cylinder power when conditions demand it, such as trailer towing and climbing steep grades, and to allow the engine to run at its most efficient point under less-demanding conditions.

No engine speed changes are necessary for the mode shift to occur. The result is exceptionally smooth, seamless acceleration and responsiveness. At all times, the system's Hybrid Optimizing System (HOS) collects torque-based data, deciphers it, then determines the most fuel-efficient means of propelling the Vue Green Line 2 Mode.

Direct injection V-6 boosts efficiency

The Vue Green Line 2 Mode's standard engine is an advanced 3.6L V-6 VVT with direct injection, a member of GM's family of high-feature V-6s. The direct injection engine uses regular unleaded fuel and represents one of the most sophisticated applications of its kind on a hybrid SUV.

Direct injection delivers fuel directly to the combustion chambers and permits a higher compression ratio, improving fuel efficiency. Additionally, the technology reduces cold-start hydrocarbon emissions by up to 25 percent.

The 3.6L VVT with direct injection also features a U.S. auto industry-first isolated fuel injector that greatly reduces the ticking noise associated with other direct injection engines. Other noise-reduction features include the use of acoustic foam in the engine valley and cover.

Specially tuned chassis for a smooth ride

Because the hybrid system changes the weight distribution on the Vue Green Line 2 Mode, special chassis refinements such as revised front and rear spring rates; revised front and rear stabilizer bar rates and recalibrated front struts and rear shock absorbers help ensure a smooth driving experience.

The Vue Green Line 2 Mode is equipped with a "fully blended" electro-hydraulic brake system that enables 100-percent regenerative braking (batteries are charged during braking), 100-percent friction braking (traditional four-wheel disc braking) or a combination of the two. During regenerative braking, the system converts kinetic energy to electrical power, then stores the power in the Energy Storage System.

A 12V rack-mounted Electric Power Steering system replaces a conventional column-mounted hydraulic system and saves fuel gaining up to a half-mile per gallon of gas. It also gives the Vue Green Line 2 Mode more precise steering inputs and better overall on-center feel.

Intuitive displays keep drivers in the know

The Saturn Vue Green Line 2 Mode's instrument panel lets drivers know that they're behind the wheel of a sophisticated hybrid, yet with gauges that are easy to understand. An efficiency gauge replaces the tachometer, informing drivers of when they are achieving maximum fuel economy; whether the vehicle is in electric-only mode, engine-only mode or a combination of the two; and, because of the silent start as the key is turned, a telltale indicates when the vehicle is on and ready to drive.

In the center console, a full-color VGA power-flow graphic, which is integrated into an available navigation system, continuously informs the driver and passenger whether the vehicle is sending power to the wheels from the battery pack, engine or both. It also indicates when energy is being captured during braking.

Vue Green Line 2 Mode is generously equipped

In addition to its high-tech propulsion system, the Saturn Vue Green Line 2 Mode boasts a number of standard safety features including four-wheel anti-lock brakes, electronic stability control, rollover detection system, pedestrian impact protection, tire pressure monitoring system, Pedal Release System, front active head restraints, and six air bags (driver and front passenger frontal and seat-mounted side-impact, and roof rail curtains for both seating rows).

Other features include power-adjustable heated outside mirrors, leather-wrapped steering wheel with integrated audio and cruise controls; and a six-speaker AM/FM stereo with CD/MP3 player and auxiliary input jack. A navigation system and power sunroof are available.

Saturn's hybrid family is growing

The Vue Green Line 2 Mode is the third hybrid to join the Saturn lineup. Other members of the Green Line family include the Vue (4-cylinder) Green Line and the Aura Green Line sedan. They are equipped with the affordable GM Hybrid system, which reduces fuel consumption using sophisticated controls and a unique electric motor/generator mated to a 2.4L Ecotec VVT four-cylinder engine and Hydra-Matic four-speed transmission.

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Old 06-15-2008, 04:33 PM   #3
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Hybrids tend to get brisk 0-60 times, but unless mated to a relatively powerful engine they suffer greatly for the rest of a 1/4 mile. They'd be close for the 0-60, but I think the Honda V6 would manhandle the 2 mode after 60ish.

Still with the DI versions of the 3.6 pushing hp levels in the 300s, it would be nice for them to put it in the Redlines, but I wouldn't count on it. In the economies of scale, they just made the effort to put the 3.6L in the TOrrent GXP, Equinox Sport, and Vue Redline - spending MORE money to put a newer version of the engine in with DI would add considerably to the cost of these vehicles, which are limited productio already. Keep in mind that these are $30k vehicles already, not exactly a bargain and jacking the price of them up another few thousand puts them in the territory of the big boy speed SUVs, where they sadly can't compare to 400ish hp. Realistically, you can get a low mileage TBSS for mid 20s, and new they're starting at $33k. If your loaded out Equinox Sport is gonna cost you a couple grand less than a TBSS, it's a pretty easy choice. And the megabadass SRT-8 Grand Cherokee starts at $42k with leather, etc. included.

While it might be cool, I doubt it'll happen. Maybe in a few years as a refresher, but not after just 1 year.

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Old 06-16-2008, 02:13 AM   #4
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Default Re: 2009 vue to get direct injection v6?

I'm not sure exactly sure of the hybrid drivetrain but remember guys that the 3.6L DI engine in the 2-mode will be tuned for fuel economy, not performance. GM has already said it will put out ~255hp even in the DI form. The hybrid 2 mode isn't meant to outclass the CTS. Even with those electric motors providing a boost, I don't see it going too much over 300 hp total. The gear ratio's will probably be a bit different, a bit taller for fuel economy, and then not sure when those electric motors run out of steam for providing boost.

FGCA_XRL, I think if the TBSS had received an update similar to the GMT900 family it would be a serious contender for quite a few more people. It's not all about speed for some people and the TBSS is seriously behind the times in terms of interior/exterior design.

I agree with you on the DI offering for the rest of the line. It was something I was hoping for but after seeing the Lambda's get it for 09 it was definitely out of the picture. GM will have to step up production of the DI version before they can roll it out to any more vehicles. Even with as limited production as the RL, Sport, and GXP are.

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Old 06-16-2008, 12:43 PM   #5
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I'm assuming that this 50% fuel savings is coming during city driving? Though the DI will also make it more efficient.

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Old 06-16-2008, 12:49 PM   #6
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For me it's actually is having your cake and eating it too... The Honda power train did that so well in the previous VUE. Looks like the two-mode hybrid will be a winner.

The term two mode, means the powertrain is optimized for both city and highway modes; hence two-mode... It should give great mileage all the time.

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I've always heard that electric motors really run out of the "oomph' to mpve the car at just above normal city speeds(somewhere around 40ish). However, running the motors still would allow for a gas engine to not have to work as hard. Which is apparently the idea behind the two mode.

An updated TBSS would be a serious contender. Give it the 6-speed automatic and I'd have one. Sadly that isnt going to happen, as it is being replaced by another "outlook/acadia/enclave", and is supposed to be removed after 09. Styling-wise, i still think the TBSS looks mean, inside its lacking and old however.

This 2-Mode is a great idea, now they just need to take the pansy/snooty factor out of the hybrid and make cars that are marketable to more than just eco-nuts, people who want to feel better about themselves, or people who don't realize they can get better economy my making due with a smaller vehicle. I can't wait until all cars are hybrids, and I do think we're headed towards that.

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All I will say is I hope they have really done their homework and worked the bugs out of these things. I mean how long does a battery last and how much does a new one cost? I heard $5000-7000 and they only last about 5 years in general for hybrids. If that's the case then the whole hybrid cost savings point is mute in my opinion. Depending on how far you drive a year that is the equivalent of just paying a little extra for gas over 5 years. Not to mention all the other extra crap (like motors, controllers, etc) that could go wrong and cost you BIG $$$$$.

What is the actual rated mileage on this 2 mode thing? City/Hwy

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I think in most cases the hybrid systems are warrantied for 5 years/60k miles. Some states require 8 years/100k miles I think.

Hybrids aren't economical cars, and they won't be for a long time. They cost too much and most people that are gonna shell out the cashfor a new Hybrid aren't gonna drive it for THAT long.

Tougher economic times and rising (gas) prices don't affect the wealthy.

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newbievueowner, I would hope the bugs are worked out by now. This isn't GM's first application of the 2mode system so if anything it should be more refined and less buggy.

FGCA_XRL, in addition, it's not going to help the 2mode sales but it seems as though Saturn is positioning it as the top of the line Vue model, going above and beyond the RL. That's great for GM since the 2 mode system itself is expensive and they need to recover their costs but it means it will take that much longer for anyone purchasing it for fuel economy reasons to reap the savings (w/o even doing the math it will probably take the lifetime of the vehicle to recover costs). I don't expect many to purchase the 2 mode when they can buy the regular Vue Hybrid and easily save thousands up front. Buying a RL already puts the Vue into Outlook territory, the 2mode will probably equal a well-equipped Outlook easy.

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All I can say (and will say) is there are quite a few "issues" going on behind the scenes. Durability will remain to be seen.

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The new Tiguan starts in the mid 20s, its not unreasonable to think its sibling Audi Q5 will be availible in the low 30s. With RLs having always been about 30, this 2-mode is putting itself into a cost area where it can not compete. Saturn lacks the features, fit, finish, prestige, looks, performance, and everything else to compete with an Audi. All it has is better fuel economy, which like you said, will not pay for the extra cost of the vehicle.

Look for sick incentives on these new Vues. They're gonna need them.

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