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Old 01-02-2013, 11:40 AM   #81
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Yes, I did use it quite a bit, but.....uh...maybe you can expound on this a little more....
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LOL, i figured as much. Yeah, most of the parts I've ordered has been over the Internet...... better prices, selection and quality.

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Old 01-02-2013, 01:09 PM   #83
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The famous shifter bushing that often fails....


apparently I don't know what the heck I'm talking about here. This is not the famous shifter bushing that fails....It's actually lower and connects directly to the cable. I'll have to get a pick up soon.

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I know some people have painted that shifter bracket - I didn't since it was just surface rust that no one would ever see and the part was still plenty solid.

I don't recall if anyone has mentioned it, but while everything is apart, it would be a good time to rewire the cigarette lighter if you plan on using it as a charger (for GPS, phone, etc). It was designed pre- GPS and not designed for contnuous load, tends to overheat the F5 block. I think adventureoflink wrote up a "How To" in the How to Library for rewiring if you need it.

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I know some people have painted that shifter bracket - I didn't since it was just surface rust that no one would ever see and the part was still plenty solid.

I don't recall if anyone has mentioned it, but while everything is apart, it would be a good time to rewire the cigarette lighter if you plan on using it as a charger (for GPS, phone, etc). It was designed pre- GPS and not designed for contnuous load, tends to overheat the F5 block. I think adventureoflink wrote up a "How To" in the How to Library for rewiring if you need it.

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+1, great documentation pics

Super cool, thank you so much for the tip. I was indeed going to use it for charging my cell phone, and other acc items.

Thank you for the tip!

I'm going to remove the rust with my power brush and paint the brackets. This rust seems a bit excessive for a piece of metal that comes from the inside of the car. I mean, I might as well, since I'm in there.....

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I mean, I might as well, since I'm in there.....
There's that slippery slope

Since I was only replacing the bushing at that point (and doing it as preventative maintenance), I didn't paint mine on my SL2.

But since I have the interior of my SC2 gutted, I'll paint that one while I'm in there, one of these days - and I can just use whatever bits of paint I have left over since no one will ever see it

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Drill the drain holes and don't let someone talk you out of it either. If you go into my photo gallery you will find all 5 sheets of the torque specs for the engine. Print them out before something breaks.
Use Permatex Ultra slick on any and all rotating or moving surfaces. Use Permatex The Right Stuff which comes in a pressurized can instead of RTV, works much better.

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Head torquing.
Clean the head bolt holes with a fiber brush and blow out with compressed air. Clean the head and block mating surfaces with acetone. Set your new gasket on the block in the correct position so the oil port is not blocked. Carefully set the head on the gasket and do not scratch the head or block. If the bolts seem to be oily when you pull them out of the box wipe them off with a clean dry rag and don't leave any lint on them. Now screw all the NEW head bolts in by hand and torque them in order and stages to the 48ft-lb final value.

DOHC head torquing procedure

Initial dry bolt torque in sequence to 48ft-lb following the torquing pattern in stages to 20ft-lb, 30ft-lb, and final 48ft-lb. This establishes the proper clamp load on the gasket.

This is followed by removal in about 1/4 turn in sequence until loose.

Bolts washers, threads and bolt heads are oiled with clean engine oil and reinstalled finger tight.

Torqued in sequence to 22 ft-lb then 37ft-lb and then additional 90 degree turn.

The 90 degrees is important so do not guess at the 90 degrees. You can eyeball it and use a 1/2 drive breaker bar and make the 90 degree turn in a single smooth motion.

If this is not followed the new gasket will end up leaking.

Torquing sequence
intake side
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Oil system prime before start.
To prime the oil system on a Saturn engine after a complete overhaul, head replacement, timing chain replacement or long term storage perform the following steps.
-Fill crankcase with 4 1/2 quarts of fresh new 5w-30 oil if this is the initial fill following a rebuild otherwise use 4 quarts of oil. Use a decent quality name brand oil.
-Fill a squirt pistol type oiler with the same oil.
-Squirt oil into the square port on the right side of the filter base do this several times until you can not get more oil to stay in it. This will take 4 to 6 ounces of oil.
-Fill the new oil filter a bit more than 1/2 full and screw it in place.
-Remove the PCM B fuse from the UHJB (under hood fuse box). This will prevent the fuel pump and injectors from operating while priming.
-Remove spark plugs.
-Place 1 squirt of 5w-30 oil in each cylinder.
-Turn key to crank and crank engine with the starter until the oil pressure light goes out. This may take several 20-30 second runs of the starter.
-Release key when the oil pressure light goes off.
-Turn key to crank and crank engine again until oil pressure light goes out. Repeat 2 times.
-Replace spark plugs.
-Replace PCM B fuse.
-Prime fuel system by turning key to on but not crank and wait until pump stops, turn key to off, wait 30 seconds. Repeat 2 times.
-Start engine.

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-If engine running as expected continue to let it sit and idle while you inspect for leaks and other off normal behavior.
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-Allow to sit and idle until the fan cycles on and off twice.
-Shutdown engine and allow a 30 minute oil drain down time
-Replace the oil and oil filter with a Pure One PL20195 or Mobil-1 209 filter and a name brand high quality synthetic blend oil. Valvoline works or Casterol.
-Drive car conservatively, no steady RPM operation and hold max top gear RPM to ~3000 RPM
-Closely monitor oil level by parking in the exact same spot and checking level after a 6 hour minimum drain down time. Maintain oil level at the Full mark or up to the lower edge of the "U" in full.
-Once it has been established that oil consumption is zero change oil and filter.
-At this point using a high end 100% PAO synthetic oil is the best option.

Keep the RPM below 3000 in 5th and 3500 in lower gears until the oil consumption drops to zero.

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There's that slippery slope

Indeed....where does one stop?

I did manage to get the parts painted and tomorrow I'll get em installed again.

I've done some researching about the F5, and yup, better get that taken care of while it's apart..... I mean..... why not, it's all apart anyway....

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I know some people have painted that shifter bracket - I didn't since it was just surface rust that no one would ever see and the part was still plenty solid.

I don't recall if anyone has mentioned it, but while everything is apart, it would be a good time to rewire the cigarette lighter if you plan on using it as a charger (for GPS, phone, etc). It was designed pre- GPS and not designed for contnuous load, tends to overheat the F5 block. I think adventureoflink wrote up a "How To" in the How to Library for rewiring if you need it.

F5 thread

+1, great documentation pics
Noob alert! Is this applicable to a 99 SL1 as well?

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Noob alert! Is this applicable to a 99 SL1 as well?
Yes (both the shifter racket rust and the F5 issue)

I was a n00b 4 years ago, so no worries

I still think of myself as a newbie, because there is so much to learn, but madpogue objected since I have thousands of posts, occassionally add useful information, and did a couple minor How Tos

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Got a little more work done..




Here you can see how the timing marks have been moved. They were aligned up on the TDC marks, but I moved them around as I was testing to ensure the valves would not hit.......just to be sure......









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Wow that looks great. I hope you post a video once it's up and running.

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I intend on making a video of the startup process.....

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Default Re: The fix-up of my $400 '93 Saturn SC1

One question now that things are going together I am curious about how the costs have added up especially gasket and machine costs. I do know that the machine work can vary but it would be nice to have an approximate number before I get started on mine soon.

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One question now that things are going together I am curious about how the costs have added up especially gasket and machine costs. I do know that the machine work can vary but it would be nice to have an approximate number before I get started on mine soon.
Great question, I'll post up a detailed cost sheet today.

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That looks fantastic! I've never rebuilt an engine so I'll use your pics of a shiny block as inspiration

Was going to make a comment about POR15 or truck bed liner on the oil pan for rustproofing, but then remembered you're in an dry, snowless part of the US

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Depends on what part of ole New Mexico he is in. When I was a kid back about 1980 in Albuquerque there was plenty of snow around. Made some huge forts for mega snowball fights, it was a blast

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got a little more work done today.

Concerning the paint job on the oil pan. I ended up putting three full coats of "Krylon Spray Paint Hammer Finish". This stuff is pretty thick and seems to provide a pretty good layer of protection, no matter what the elements are.

Pulley for the Water pump....the rust was flaking off the inside of the pulley...



Cleaned it up and put on a few coats of paint




The Idler pulley bearings sounded dirty. I pulled the seal out and cleaned the bearings of any dirt.



Still need a little cleaning....




Greased em up nice, and put the seal back in place.




Cleaned any rusty items with a wire brush, then added a few coats of spray paint to keep the rust at bay.



Getting closer......



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Unfortunately I didn't get around to posting up my current cost sheet. I started creating it and then really got into it. I started adding Merchant, Cost, and part number for the items I've purchased......Eventually, It'll be a really nice sheet.

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Ok, I know that some people may not agree with with what I've purchased, but I'm on a budget, so I got what I could get. I'm trying to refurbish a car that I can use primarily as a commuter car. I do a lot of Dirt Bike riding (as you can see from some of my pictures), so that is why I got the trailer hitch....

In an effort to save money, I'm doing all of the work myself. However, as you can see, the cost of parts can add up quickly. This total price also includes the price of the car, as you can see from the itemized listing.

I purchased most of my items via Autozone to save 20-25% on items and receive free shipping. Plus, you can accumulate points to get $20 for every $100 spent. Thus far, I've received around $300 back in cash. So....not too bad.

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