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Old 03-22-2009, 02:41 AM   #1
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hello i am new to this but i have a problem with my 92 saturn sl1 1.9 sohc manual transmission.... I have to hold my foot on the clutch very little in order to shift it the right way. If i let the clutch out the whole way then i will have to flat shift it. The things i have just replaced is the master/slave cylinder clutch, throw out bearing, pressure plate, transmission any idea's of what could be causing this
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Old 03-22-2009, 02:59 AM   #2
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I'm not keeping up with your terminology.

Are saying that when you depress the clutch pedal slightly it shifts normally
and when you fully depress the clutch ("to the floor") you have to sync the gears to the RPM?

Just guessing, it sounds like air in the clutch hydraulics but....

If I'm anywhere near right, then initially you're pushing fluid to the Release Cylinder, but when the air bubble gets to the Cylinder, it's releasing the clutch plate.

Sorry for the guesswork, but try bleeding the line from the Clutch Master to the Release Cylinder.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:03 AM   #3
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no it is that i have to hold the pedal in a little bit and when i go to shift push it all the way to the floor but if i let it out all the way then i have to sync the gears with the rpm's and i just replaced the master cylinder and slave cylinder it came as one assembly pre bled don't see how that is possible but ok lol how would i bleed that line from the master to the release cylinder if there is no bleeder valve
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are you finding yourself to add fluid every other trip?
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no i haven't had to add any fluid at all and i have been checking it all the time
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no it is that i have to hold the pedal in a little bit and when i go to shift push it all the way to the floor but if i let it out all the way then i have to sync the gears with the rpm's and i just replaced the master cylinder and slave cylinder it came as one assembly pre bled don't see how that is possible but ok lol how would i bleed that line from the master to the release cylinder if there is no bleeder valve
Take the forum jump to the How-To Library and search for wire test. This is the first thing to do before trying to guess what is wrong. That system can be bled but its not easy or quick so do the wire test to find out if you have an air bubble first.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:26 AM   #7
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if there is no leak you looking at the clutch master cyliner wich goes for around 90 bucks at autozone, having same problem with a mazda truck, somehow i seem to like the easy shifting compared to the hard clutch on my brothers honda
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I know I'm confused but what the heck I'll keep plugging at it.

If the pedal is all the way out (your foot is off of it) syncing (floating) the gears is normal, so I must still be missing that.

Pre-bled is definitely not in my vocabulary. I've never heard of such a thing.
You did not have to add any Brake Fluid to the Clutch Master Cylinder?

If the Master Cylinder is full of fluid, you can try to loosen the cap on the Master Cylinder and GENTLY pump the clutch pedal.
It's not far for the fluid to go so maybe ten times
gently enough so that you're not squirting fluid out.
Make sure the diaphram on the Master Cylinder cap is pulled out and sticking down into the fluid. Retighten the cap.

If you do have some air trapped in the system, you might be able to coax that air bubble up to the reservoir... uh... if there is one.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:34 AM   #9
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if i release the clutch pedal all the way it is like it releases too far.so therefor that is why i have to hold it in a little bit but if i release it all the way take my foot off and then go to put the pedal back down to shift to the next gear i can't
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If you continue to ride the clutch you will destroy the throwout bearing. And it does not take long either. Where did you get the new hydraulic system?
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Take the forum jump to the How-To Library and search for wire test. This is the first thing to do before trying to guess what is wrong. That system can be bled but its not easy or quick so do the wire test to find out if you have an air bubble first.
Man, I'm glad you're awake. There seems to be no end to what I don't know on these cars.

Here's the link to BarbOwl's post on the wire test.
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...ight=wire+test
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according to my repair manual from haynes, the slave master should have a bleeding mecanism, bleeding the system the right way will help, this includes getting a tube a half filled bottle of clutch fluid and an extra hand,
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the slave cylinder that you bought did not come with a bleeding nut?
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no it did not
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on youtube.com type in clutch slave cylinder - how to bleed
its the proper way to bleed the system
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it was the master cylinder and slave cylinder attached together in one box already filled with clutch fluid supposedly "pre bled"
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now can i do that even tho there is no bleeder valve
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i been looking around and doing a little research for you, seems all aftermarker parts from autozone even kragen are probled, either you have to get it directly from the dealer or manufacturer who originally made the part for the sl1 other than that, your probably shifting normal
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not if i have to fight with it just to get it to the next gear that is not normal shifting to me lol and if i do let the pedal all the way out then i have to shut the car off pump the pedal and start it back in first gear and on my way from there
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