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Old 11-22-2001, 12:39 PM   #21
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Well, 180hp at the crank and 146hp at the wheels isn't really that bad. If you wanna see bad tranny loss, check out the Subaru WRX: 227hp at the crank, and 147hp
How exactly did edmunds test the car for power at the wheels? There's not exactly a lot of 4WD dynos around. Even still, I find an 80hp driveline loss hard to believe. I could buy maybe 50, given that the Saturns suck up 20 on two wheel drive, add in another 20 for another set of wheels and 10 more for AWD slop...but 80...I dunno. These things run 0-60 in like 5.5 seconds and turn solid 14's by the 1/4....147whp doesn't seem like enough.

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Old 11-23-2001, 10:19 AM   #22
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I notice that these discussions center primarily on hp loss, not torque. Torque is more of what gets you moving in the first place (exhibit A: Dodge Viper...).

At any rate, I would be happy if the sky were a Miata competitor. The Miata was not made to go toe to toe with Porsches in drag races. It was more of a throwback to the old MGs and Triumphs- you don't need massive power if the car is fun in the twisties. The Miata is not all that fast a car, but it is great fun. It is built to DRIVE. If only Saturn would deliver a car like that- small, light, and with enough power. The current 1.8L twincam would be a great engine for this thing (esp. with about 5-10 more hp). Torquey and reliable. Match it to a small and stiff chassis (possibly even a RWD chassis?), and go out and have some fun.

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Old 11-23-2001, 10:37 AM   #23
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2001 L-Series 2.2L Wagon
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I'm trying to find the actual article but right now I can't seem to find it again so perhaps I'm perpetuating a rumour.

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Old 11-23-2001, 03:16 PM   #24
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If only Saturn would deliver a car like that- small, light, and with enough power.
They used to. My SC can go head to head with any Miata of that era. The much smaller-two seat only Miata wieghed only about 70lbs less than the SC. The SC had both more HP and more TQ...and frankly, I like the SC styling much better...it has subtle, sensual curves, the Miata looks like a bathtub. Then the SC2 got Phat, ride got softer, and the edge was taken off the car.

I'd perfer if the Sky got scrapped altogether. Those resources would be better spent on a ION Super coupe. I don't think its going to be anything special. Styling wise, nobody here was really wowed, feature wise, well, blah, image wise--a four seat roadster--no thanks....and with 180hp, its not powerful enough to drag around what will HAVE to be a much heavier car, especially if its still a four seater.

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Old 11-29-2001, 02:05 AM   #25
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All and well. How about this for a new Saturn:

The Australian Commodore and/or Senator with the HSV engine package?

It would make more sense as an Olds or Chevy, but what the heck.......

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Old 11-29-2001, 10:27 PM   #26
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Looks like an Audi TT rip off.

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Old 11-29-2001, 10:31 PM   #27
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Well, 180hp at the crank and 146hp at the wheels isn't really that bad. If you wanna see bad tranny loss, check out the Subaru WRX: 227hp at the crank, and 147hp at the wheels as dynotested (read that on Edmunds). Now THAT's a power loss With power to all the wheels it can use its torque better in low traction scenarios (including fast launches) but AWD comes at a price in many other areas.

Yeah, but the WRX is all wheel drive and it makes up for loss in grip. It'll still beat the Saturn! I know someone running high 13's with just a manual boost controller and exhaust.

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Old 01-24-2002, 06:38 PM   #28
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OK i read part of the forume and decided i had to say some ting. If your rooting for a powerplant to put in the Sky the let root for something better that a four. Like the 4.3 chevy v6 that came in the extreme, Or how about a 305 or a zo6. Screw the four cyl. shoot for meaty six or an 8. Im sorry but saturn needs to put some real balls under the hood.




OOORR. the twin-t v6 from the old 300zx.
Millions of posabillitys. Its a Roadster. so thin RWD or AWD.

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Old 01-24-2002, 06:55 PM   #29
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I'm a Buick guy at heart... so I would really love to see the revival of some old Buick turbo technology... It had a couple runs after the 86-87 Turbo Regals/GN/GNX in the Turbo Trans Am and the GMC Syclone / Typhoon in the early 90's.
A turbo SKY would be AWESOME... forget the Nissan turbo.
GM already has some excellent turbo technology to work with.

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Old 01-25-2002, 12:32 PM   #30
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A large displacement 6 or 8 cylinder would be totally out of character for Saturn.

Saturn used to be a technology leader, with its fuzzy logic transmission, innovative ABS/Traction control, early airbag adoption, etc....

They need to regain that. In the last 6 years or so, theyve done nothing innovatice. Sure, the CVT, you say, well...that's yet to appear at any dealer.


For them to be taken seriously, the SKY, or any performance Saturn for that matter, would require a reasonably advanced small to medium displacement 4 or 6 cylinder engine, possibly with forced induction. Saturn needs to reassirt itself as "forward thinking". The yesterday technology of many of GM's vehicles is a turnoff for younger buyers. I'm by no means dismissing the viability of many of these powerplants, just being honest about the market. This means no pushrod v-8s or small displacement versions of Buicks pushrod V-6s.

I'd like to see a Turbocharged 2Litre(or more) 4 Cylinder. I don't want a six, two much wieght, too little gas mileage.

Doesn't matter anyway, the SKY is dead. Good, it was a weak idea anyway... Lets move on, eh?

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Old 01-25-2002, 05:00 PM   #31
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I'm not interested in the Sky but would love to see the revised edition. I was in Detoit ,the Sky wasn't.

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