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Old 10-20-2019, 12:19 PM   #1
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Default Coolant Heater

Hello all,
I have been looking into block heaters, and cannot source and OEM saturn style heater. I do not want to use one of the oil pan heaters due to oil dripping on my pan, and also the issue of frying the oil on the other side of the pan. I would prefer to heat the coolant. But, that is where I have some questions. The coolant heaters all seem to be designed to go on the lower radiator hose, but that goes directly to the thermostat (which will be closed) and the radiator which I believe will bleed off all of the heat generated by the coolant heater. I thought about putting it between the heater core and the overflow tank, as it is further away from the radiator but still near the engine. Any ideas on where to locate this?
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Old 10-20-2019, 12:41 PM   #2
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Is it parked inside or out?

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Old 10-20-2019, 01:39 PM   #3
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Upper/lower radiator hose's are the same size. Heater core hose's are about half the radiator hose size. It doesn't matter where the heater goes, the flow is going to be impeded by the thermostat anyway. Just decide if you want it on the radiator side or the heater core side and put it where you can fit it in.

Even with the thermostat closed there's still a limited amount of flow around it otherwise the pressure would build up to bursting and the engine would overheat from localized hot spots (the H4's I drive now are highly susceptible to this with the stock thermostat location as it blocks the bypass from working).

We had one on the big LPG forklift at work for winter time, the area it was kept in wasn't heated enough to keep the regulator happy and the coolant heater kept it from having to be replaced every couple of weeks (they don't react well to freezing temps with LPG in the lines...).

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Old 10-21-2019, 02:17 PM   #4
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Is it parked inside or out?
Parked outside, wanted the coolant heater to get rid of the horrid cold starts.

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Old 10-21-2019, 03:22 PM   #5
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Ok.... My experience is Michigan and Alaskan winters.

If parked outdoors -the smaller heaters - 100 watt or so - make little difference. Those work OK indoors - and if you cover rhe front end of the car with a heavy blanket.

For outdoor - you want the biggest inline coolant heater you can buy. An oil heater is probably better.

However - I have yet to find a dipstick style heater that will work on a Saturn - as the dipstick tube diameter is too small - and has two bends... So you would need to go with a mag mount pan heater.

Getting the vehicle out of the wind will make a big difference. An tarp garage would help.

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Old 10-21-2019, 09:13 PM   #6
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Aren't block heaters the way to do this for real, and not all mickey mousy? I always heard dip stick heaters didn't do much. Do we have an accessible freeze plug, or does the lost foam method of casting eliminate those?

I'm in MI, and I've never needed a heater for starting purposes. A well charged battery and the proper weight oil seems to be good enough for me. I admit I'm not way up north, but even when others were having troubles during a particular cold spell last winter, I was fine.... my truck, not the Saturn as I didn't own it yet.

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The whole point of heat is to get oil flow at desired pressures as quickly as possible.

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If I was going to do something, I'd heat the oil, probably with one of those pads that glue on the oil pan. Probably the battery too. I'd put them on a timer. But then I'd be out of the running for the polar vortex startup challenge:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=236465

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Old 10-22-2019, 07:58 AM   #9
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Also, here is my slightly modified interior heater mount.

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Old 10-22-2019, 08:22 AM   #10
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I installed a factory block heater about 6 years ago when I had my 1999 SL2, It is a very odd looking block heater and it mates to the block at the front of the engine.

I purchased it at the dealer...

Its basically just a metal to metal contact. If need I can get a picture tonight to show what it looks like..

Here is the part you need.... 21008372 Good luck finding it!

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I installed a factory block heater about 6 years ago when I had my 1999 SL2, It is a very odd looking block heater and it mates to the block at the front of the engine.

I purchased it at the dealer...

Its basically just a metal to metal contact. If need I can get a picture tonight to show what it looks like..

Here is the part you need.... 21008372 Good luck finding it!

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Unless they simply don't update their page, it looks like these guys have it.

https://www.wholesalegmpartsonline.c.../12587535.html

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If you install that heater trottida, you won't be able to defend your championship. Maybe you should sell it to me so you aren't tempted. I'll keep it safe.
Well, if I don't plug the block heater in that would still count right? I did install it in the second round after I figured out the correct orientation. There was a small window of opportunity where you could have bought it but you missed out.

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Yeah, but I believed you that it wouldn't work!

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Unless they simply don't update their page, it looks like these guys have it.

https://www.wholesalegmpartsonline.c.../12587535.html
That looks like the wrong part. When I search on the number I don't see it. They do have heaters for Vues.

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Yeah, but I believed you that it wouldn't work!
Ha, I'm still surprised nobody challenged me on that one. I took it off the 2001 SL1 only a week before attempting to install it on the 99 SL2. I have terrible memory.

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That looks like the wrong part. When I search on the number I don't see it. They do have heaters for Vues.
The correct part number for 98-2002 block heater is 21008372. I think the only place you're going to find one is at an auto wreckers or a used one on eBay or a like selling platform. That said most auto wreckers don't realize the Saturn block heater is external and usually keep it on the engine. They don't think to sell it separately so a pick n pull is the best option.

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The block heater is good if you can find it. If you don't have the block heater or it's really cold a magnetic oil pan heater with built in thermostat is well worth having. Kats is a good brand. The thermostat prevents overheating the oil.
I also run full synthetic engine oil and tranny fluid.
Avoid radiator hose heaters. They work for a while. Right up until the hose blows on the freeway.
Dipstick heaters are worse than useless. They can overheat the oil at the stick and the one hot end and one cold end promote water condensation and sludge development at the end of the stick.

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Unless they simply don't update their page, it looks like these guys have it.

https://www.wholesalegmpartsonline.c.../12587535.html
If you click on does it fit my vehicle, the several S series I picked said no.
I do know where there are two NIB Saturn for the S series. have relayed the information to the OP.

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I do know where there are two NIB Saturn for the S series. have relayed the information to the OP.
I'm not sure what you are saying but the only Saturn this part (12587535) will fit is a 2008-09 Saturn Vue. This is not for the S Series at all and the part shape does not even look similar enough where you could modify it to fit. Yes there are some available NIB but it's not for this application.

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The little diagrams on the page show they are for the GM 2.2/2.4 ION engines, confirmed by the "what this fits" tab:

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