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Old 10-18-2019, 07:48 PM   #1
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Default Fog lights on second gen Saturn's..not a popular option???

Hey guys and girls, Can anyone comment on why the Fog light option seemed to be rare on the second gens? Of the 99 Homecoming Editions I have seen online , including my own, NONE of them had factory foglights installed. Just the plastic filler caps. You would think they would have decked them out with foglights...

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Old 10-18-2019, 08:09 PM   #2
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My Gen2 foglights suck. Maybe nobody wanted them?

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Old 10-18-2019, 08:56 PM   #3
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Default Re: Fog lights on second gen Saturn's..not a popular option???

I have them for that oh-so-darling look on my L300. They suck, period. When they're barely two feet off the ground (55 watts each), all they do is brighten up the ground about three feet in front of the car.......totally useless.

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Old 10-18-2019, 09:04 PM   #4
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Default Re: Fog lights on second gen Saturn's..not a popular option???

I was thinking about adding them to my 99 Homecoming, not even for functional purposes but just for asthetics....probably not worth it and just keep it stock....

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Old 10-18-2019, 09:12 PM   #5
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My Gen2 foglights suck. Maybe nobody wanted them?
Define "suck".

Do they work in fog?

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Old 10-18-2019, 09:39 PM   #6
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Default Re: Fog lights on second gen Saturn's..not a popular option???

On my 98, they might as well be marker or running lights, like the amber ones in the headlights... They just throw no light forward...

I plan on replacing my entire assemblies with some aftermarket LED assemblies in the future. I just don't drive the car much at night to justify doing it right now, so I haven't had the motivation to do it lol

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Default Re: Fog lights on second gen Saturn's..not a popular option???

They're defiantly not the most useful fog lights, even in the fog/rain. They are kinda cool with some amber Hella bulbs though. I use them more for decoration than function
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Old 10-19-2019, 03:15 AM   #8
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Default Re: Fog lights on second gen Saturn's..not a popular option???

Fog lights are DESIGNED to be only slightly brighter than marker lights.

In heavy fog - you can see better with less light, that is sourced closer to the ground. I have been in heavy fog on California's Pacific Coast Highway (1) where if you didn' t have fog lights- the next best thing was to use tin foil to obscure 90 percent of your headlights.

Too much light simply causes glare.

In Alaska - I got stopped for running with my headlights on by a Highway Patrol trooper - who advised me to run - at night - with only marker lights. Indeed - I could see better that way.

Fog lights are NOT intended to extend visibility in clear visibility conditions.

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Old 10-19-2019, 08:22 AM   #9
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Define "suck".

Do they work in fog?
When I turn them on in fog I can't see any better. When I turn on my Dodge Ram truck-a-saurus foglights on in fog, they help a lot.

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Old 10-19-2019, 09:24 AM   #10
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When I turn them on in fog I can't see any better. When I turn on my Dodge Ram truck-a-saurus foglights on in fog, they help a lot.
Do you run them with or without headlight?

(I forget if this is an option)

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Default Re: Fog lights on second gen Saturn's..not a popular option???

I've tried both. It is an option. I find I can't see as well with the fogs as with the low beams.

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Old 10-19-2019, 11:17 AM   #12
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The 880 bulb the S-Series use's is a joke. Even worse because the entire fog light housing is plastic and, at this point, a minimum of 16 years of road grime/sanding "old" and virtually useless.

Subaru use's a 9006 bulb for the fogs, with a "flood" beam style reflector and glass lense; I can't see very far ahead with just the fog lights but I can see the marked lines just fine (which is the point IMO) and it's easy to clean up the lenses.

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Old 10-19-2019, 12:58 PM   #13
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Try putting more downward angle on the fog light and run without headlights. The problem is glare - reflection off the water particles back towards you. By pointing the fog lights downward you eliminate much of the directly reflected back light. Light the roadbed - not the air above it.

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I guess I can't expect the same level of output from them that I get with the fog lights I installed on my 04 Blazer. Pulled them off an 01 Corvette in the junk yard, mounted them up, and installed 55w 4300k HID's in them. Beautiful low cutoff, great distance, I can literally drive with just them on without my headlights at night and see like I have my low beams on.










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Fog lights are DESIGNED to be only slightly brighter than marker lights.

In heavy fog - you can see better with less light, that is sourced closer to the ground. I have been in heavy fog on California's Pacific Coast Highway (1) where if you didn' t have fog lights- the next best thing was to use tin foil to obscure 90 percent of your headlights.

Too much light simply causes glare.

In Alaska - I got stopped for running with my headlights on by a Highway Patrol trooper - who advised me to run - at night - with only marker lights. Indeed - I could see better that way.

Fog lights are NOT intended to extend visibility in clear visibility conditions.
Your explanation pretty much says it all. If real fog conditions occurs, anyone foolish enough to drive faster than the extremely limited sight range in fog conditions are Darwin award candidates. Even commercial airlines won't leave the ground unless they can see at least half to runway otherwise they stay at the gate. Those assuming fog lights are for distance only fool themselves and may have never driven in real fog where you can't see past the headlights. That's newsworthy when multiple pile ups occurs due to assumptions when driving at speed into fog. I doubt I've ever driven in fog conditions where I'd have to slow down so quickly to avoid crashing into someone in front doing the same and entering into another pile up scenario. My fog lights are for all intents and purposes a dress up for show and tell, even at 55 watts stock. I think I'd not drive in true fog conditions. Too many variables and those variables are the ones foolish enough to risk driving where you can't see past headlights.

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Absolutely.

Driving past your headlights (going faster than you can stop within something illuminated by your headlights plus reaction time) is akin to Russia Roulette....

Just potentially messier.

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My Gen2 foglights suck. Maybe nobody wanted them?
Halogen 880's, do yes.

Replace them with these LED's. NOW lol!!

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I agree that the standard 27W 880 halogen fog lamps on the Saturn are lame-o. Much poorer than the Subaru Outback or Rav4 fog lamps I had/have.

I am interested how long you've had the 22W LED bulbs you linked and the amount of improvement you've seen.

I drive a lot in the rain (some fog) here in Oregon, so lighting improvements would be welcome.

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I agree that the standard 27W 880 halogen fog lamps on the Saturn are lame-o. Much poorer than the Subaru Outback or Rav4 fog lamps I had/have.

I am interested how long you've had the 22W LED bulbs you linked and the amount of improvement you've seen.

I drive a lot in the rain (some fog) here in Oregon, so lighting improvements would be welcome.
As far as improvements, the fog lights are down where they get pummeled and pitted from road grit. Polish them and then apply some Lamin-X protective film.

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I am interested how long you've had the 22W LED bulbs you linked and the amount of improvement you've seen.
Look at the difference in the 2nd pic in my thread & you tell me.

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