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Old 08-16-2008, 09:00 PM   #1
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Default Inquiry 1997 1.9L DOHC

To start off I would like to say I have never had a 4 cyl or manual before, I just got this car a few days ago.

I think my RPMs are reading wrong on the tachometer. I can be in 5th gear taching 2k and only going about 40MPH, does that sound right?

Also, most of the time when I put her into first it is a little stiff and I have to push it harder than I think is normal because sometimes it is super smooth. Do I need to grease something or is that just the way it is?

One other, if I was to do a quick drain and fill of the tranny how many quarts do I need and where is the best place to get a tranny filter?

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Old 08-16-2008, 09:26 PM   #2
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Default Re: Inquiry 1997 1.9L DOHC

I recently strted driving a 97sl21.9DOHC, however mine is an automatic. One thing I can say about these cars is that they run/shift a little funny. You may have a prob I dont know, but do all the routine mait + change faulty parts like ECTC + upper mount etc and just drive it (do a search here about ECTS/mount etc). Also these cars are designed for economy so using "better" parts like platinum plugs, expensive filters, synth oils is just flushing cash down a toilet, in fact may make car run worse (plat plugs)

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Old 08-16-2008, 10:00 PM   #3
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Default Re: Inquiry 1997 1.9L DOHC

If memory serves me, I think you should be in the neighborhood of 2500 rpms somewhere near 65 mph. I haven't driven an SL stick in quite while, so someone do a sanity check for us here.

Check the cable linkages at the shifter, it should go into gear with no issues.

Spend some time with this car, you're going to realize they're quite a bit of fun to drive with the manual trans.

No filter on the manual transmission. Don't remember how much fluid the manual takes, sorry.

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Old 08-16-2008, 10:02 PM   #4
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Default Re: Inquiry 1997 1.9L DOHC

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To start off I would like to say I have never had a 4 cyl or manual before, I just got this car a few days ago.

I think my RPMs are reading wrong on the tachometer. I can be in 5th gear taching 2k and only going about 40MPH, does that sound right?

Also, most of the time when I put her into first it is a little stiff and I have to push it harder than I think is normal because sometimes it is super smooth. Do I need to grease something or is that just the way it is?

One other, if I was to do a quick drain and fill of the tranny how many quarts do I need and where is the best place to get a tranny filter?

Thanks
EDIT 47MPH at 2000 in 5th

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Old 08-16-2008, 10:25 PM   #5
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Default Re: Inquiry 1997 1.9L DOHC

Hmmm, my RPM chart shows 1554 RPM at 45 in 5th, single cam though.
Yeah, 5th gear is long-legged, seems to be made for cruising about 65 or 70 on a level road. (70 mph = 2418 RPM)

"EDIT 47MPH at 2000 in 5th" your DOHC might spin faster than my little SOHC. I show 1623 RPM there.

LowSaturn has published a gear ratio chart somewhere. There are different ratios between SOHC and DOHC and automatics.

As for the shifter, there are several areas of potential slop there, which add up to poor shifting maybe.
The shifter itself with its bushings (one of which is prone to breakage)
The cable bracket coming loose (on the floor pan)
Cables stretched or dragging
Cable brackets loose at the transmission
Cable end bushings worn (at the transmission end)
The levers and gizmos at the shift tower worn or loose.

Suspect one of the above, because you state it goes into gear easily sometimes. OR the clutch is worn, not releasing enough, and it goes into gear easily because the RPMs happen to be correct.
Worn clutch causes hard shifting.

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mikeNW,
You missed the one nobody wants to hear, worn synchronizers. The design seems to have a short service life.

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Old 08-16-2008, 11:05 PM   #7
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Default Re: Inquiry 1997 1.9L DOHC

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EDIT 47MPH at 2000 in 5th
Perfectly fine and you'll be getting mid 20 to mid 30 mpg as well.

I wish the SOHC people would stop comparing their engine rev to DOHC at the same speed. They are speaking as if they did not know SOHC's transmission gear ratio is taller than DOHC's transmission.


No filter on the manual transmission. Buy three quart of ATF to use your manual transmission. It takes 2.5 or 2.7 qt, use the drain plug to drain and dip stick tube to fill the transmission. Use the dip stick to make sure you are filling to the correct level.

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Old 08-17-2008, 03:49 PM   #8
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Default Re: Inquiry 1997 1.9L DOHC

Right on thanks for all the replys, this site has been great so far.

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