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Old 03-15-2008, 01:54 PM   #1
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Default Should I replace axle seals?

I'm in the middle of replacing the clutch on my 98 SL2 and I'm pondering wether I should replace the axle transmission seals since I have the axles out. The car has 150k miles, can you tell by looking at them if they're going bad? Also there is red dust on the back of the knuckle/wheel bearings, is that bad?

I've gotten alot of great info about replacing the clutch from this site, thanks to all the regulars!
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Old 03-15-2008, 04:06 PM   #2
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I guess this weekend is clutch weekend

Many members say to replace the seals when you redo the clutch. I personally did not. Ive had no problems so far

Red dust....i wanna say thats just rust mixed with brake dust
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Old 03-15-2008, 09:37 PM   #3
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I guess this weekend is clutch weekend

Many members say to replace the seals when you redo the clutch. I personally did not. Ive had no problems so far

Red dust....i wanna say thats just rust mixed with brake dust
LoL. No that was LAST weekend for me. This weekend, I'm installing OEM foglights on my SL2. There's more to it than I thought, though this forum is an absolute WEALTH of knowledge.
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:52 PM   #5
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Default Re: Should I replace axle seals?

I'd change it personally, if it hasn't been changed.

$10 seal and 5 minute now can save you $10 and 2 hours later on.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:23 AM   #6
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Default Re: Should I replace axle seals?

I didn't change them since they looked to be in good condition. I filled the transmission to check for leaks after I put the axles back in but before I put the knuckles back together. I was concerned I'd just make more work for myself if I had trouble replacing them properly.

As for the red dust, I found some threads that say it means my wheel bearings are dying, but they turn without any noise or movement so I don't know.

The only problem I have now is the clutch pedal is soft. It shifts better than before because the pressure plate was WAY worn down, but it's not perfect. I know I probably have some air in the hydraulics, but I'm gonna try to get the air out before replacing them since they are only a few months old.
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Default Re: Should I replace axle seals?

If the hydraulics are only a few months old then there shouldnt be a problem with air in the system
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If the hydraulics are only a few months old then there shouldnt be a problem with air in the system
I don't know what else would make such a big change in how firm the clutch pedal is. I've read that it is possible for air to find it's way to the slave cylinder if it's not kept below the reservoir. But I'm a little confused how that could happen if the cap is not removed and it's a closed system.

Does a new pressure plate make it feel different?
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Does a new pressure plate make it feel different?
Most definetly. I think your just not used to how smooth and easy it is to push the clutch with the new plate
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Default Re: Should I replace axle seals?

Well it's still a little difficult to get into gear with the engine running, which makes me the think the clutch is not fully disengaging. I'll have to measure the fork travel when I get the time.
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Well it's still a little difficult to get into gear with the engine running, which makes me the think the clutch is not fully disengaging. I'll have to measure the fork travel when I get the time.
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Definetly measure the fork travel. Also, Mobil 1 synthetic ATF fluid has had good results for better smoother shifting.
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As for the red dust, I found some threads that say it means my wheel bearings are dying, but they turn without any noise or movement so I don't know.
My brake pads (Hawk ceramic) give off reddish brown dust. I would change but the stop the car like nobody's business!
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Default Re: Should I replace axle seals?

I gotta tell you guys something. I just replaced the axle seals on a 5-Speed last night and it's a PITA even with the transmission out of the car on the garage floor. I wouldn't want to attempt it with the tranny in the car. If they are okay, I say leave them alone.

Oh and if you must, don't forget that there's a snap ring on the driver's side seal that you won't notice unless you know it's there.
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Default Re: Should I replace axle seals?

I've been looking through posts on trans-to-axle seals, and have seen a couple of common themes. I have a 5 speed manual '92 SL2. I"ve replaced the clutch twice, never replacing the seals. Now I suddenly (within the past 2 weeks - 5 months since the last clutch replacement) have a rapid drip. I haven't gotten it up on blocks yet, but it looks like it may be coming from the drivers side axle - it is above the bottom edge, but low enough that the fluid had drained well off the dipstick, and has reached the point where you can see a drop every two or 3 minutes.

So, the question: Several posts mention the snap ring as being very subtle. If it is so hard to see, is there a particular trick to getting it out?

The other thing more than one post has mentioned is that it is a PITA to get out and in; is it at least doable with typical tools if I'm patient?

Thanks for any thoughts!

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