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Old 05-08-2018, 01:02 PM   #21
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This is the pump I have:
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You should be fine using that pump.

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For under $100, an electric vacuum pump can't be beat. I'm surprised prices are so low. Great investment for occasional use. There are times when foreign made equipment is a good value.

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I got mine with the 20% off coupon of course.

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How much US made equipment is out there anymore, not counting the used market? It troubles me that many of our premier brands have moved offshore. Then you pay for the name and not the quality. And by moving US manufacturing offshore, China is learning about quality. Some of the HF stuff is pretty decent. Somebody got rich, everybody else in the states suffered for it.

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The fact that USA manufacturing moved overseas years ago and the frustration about job losses isn't news any more. I don't have a degree in economics but maybe a weary sense that cheaper labor, much lower operating costs and shipping rates was and still a large financial incentive to move overseas. It was obvious when car manufacturers went south to Mexico then they took a long look at China. Before car manufacturing went oversees, foreign car manufacturers came here from Europe to beat even higher labor costs. Think about that. European car manufacturers coming to America because they don't have to educate the labor force and reduce their overhead costs with vehicles that sell well here. The cries of patriotism falls on deaf ears when the bottom line and looking elsewhere to reduce costs face every business looking to cut costs and raise profits. Some companies quietly stated their intentions years ago to their work force and tried to help transition many into other lines of work but were criticized when in actuality they didn't have to lift a finger to help in retraining efforts. GM greed caused their downfall when bankruptcy occurred instead of paring down one car line at a time. Too many elephants in corporate board rooms ignoring facts until the room caved in from exceeding weight limits......

To a large degree, the electronics manufacturing business lead some of the way from shrewd decisions to control manufacturing with robotics with trained employees operating on a smaller factory footprint. Every cell phone is made overseas and no one complains. Why? America's higher standard of living means overall salaries are higher so manufacturing costs reflect the costs of paying people to maintain a higher standard of living. This isn't the case when manufacturing went overseas and any smart businessman/businesswoman can see that in the long term business picture. The hourly wage employee with a high school education doesn't care as long as he or she gets a job for life, has a company health plan and can maintain a better lifestyle for their families. Keeping up with the Jones's is a great example of a phony economy. Many of today's adults have no desire to work and think too highly of themselves. This simply reduces the line of replacement workers with people of less education, frustrating manufacturers having to train people how to read, write and operate complicated equipment. America produces a large untrained labor force thinking its beneath them to work in assembly line operations. Now there are shortages in plumbers, electricians, and other semi skilled labor because people aren't interested. The airlines are facing pilot shortages too. Businesses look at their bottom line and seek ways to reduce overhead while attempting to make more profits. That takes skill and team work if we're discussing large companies employing thousands of people. Mercedes, Toyota, Subaru are a few manufacturers making vehicles here in the USA. They're not stupid or greedy. Just very good at running a business selling only popular vehicles that supports a factory operation for long term goals. GM lost their vision years ago with too many egos in each model division, creating their version of the Titanic with too many captains making poor decisions based on keeping their little world up. Creating infighting began the demise of GM. GM strangled itself. It should be a foot note here that of the big three, GM, Ford and Chrysler, Ford is the only company that didn't file for bankruptcy. In a nutshell. Only one USA car company continued looking forward and worked to ensure long term stability. Can't say that for the other two. Mismanagement by and large at the corporate level.

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Old 05-09-2018, 03:33 PM   #26
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Keeping up with the Jones's is a great example of a phony economy. Many of today's adults have no desire to work and think too highly of themselves.
Well put.
We have had neighbors who looked down their noses at us because we drive older and/or cheaper vehicles and don't do $75k kitchen remodels every few years or vacation in Cancun every few months.
One by one they have financially imploded.

One family in particular had $250k+ of rolling sheet metal parked in their driveway at any given moment and all the cool toys you could imagine.
This was 22 years ago (think about that for a moment).
When the economy merely glitched in the late 90's, all of that got repossessed and they had to sell their house before it was foreclosed.
They were leveraged high as a kite and then some.
But they sure set the bar high for the appearance of the neighborhood and they sure had some high-profile jobs (management and marketing of course)......
They thought we were peasants because of our old cars and bikes and actually said so behind our backs (for real).
But everything we have is paid for outright.
And we work our butts off, not afraid to get our hands dirty.
Who's laughing now?

As for the purported flammability of R-152a, you have to put it into perspective.
Almost every car has a glorified perfume sprayer or a high pressure fuel system handling highly explosive (in vapor form) and flammable liquid fuel.
There have been countless deaths and burned cars because of it.
And they are worried about something that might burn, in the right concentration, in the right circumstances, when the moon's phase is right?
As opposed to R-1234a (the new DuPont enrichment product) which is flammable and toxic over a far wider range of conditions.
Remember, R-152a is the ingredient in Dust-Off, used in many millions of homes by "untrained" persons worldwide.
With the "bitterant" added to it to discourage huffing (an utterly stupid act), you will know it is leaking and open the windows or get out of the car long before it becomes a problem.
Anti-freeze leaks anyone (glycol-induced liver damage and other fun things from chronic exposure)?

Life is a series of risks and the nanny state cannot protect us from all of them (and we should not allow them to regulate us to death trying).

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America produces a large untrained labor force thinking its beneath them to work in assembly line operations. Now there are shortages in plumbers, electricians, and other semi skilled labor because people aren't interested.
The sad part to me is that so much of the untrained labor force is college- educated.

That is, they got a college degree of some sort, but no actual useful knowledge or skills.

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They were leveraged high as a kite and then some.
part of that false economy fdryer was talking about - consumerism on borrowed money.

"I can afford this" used to mean, "I have the cash in the bank to buy this."

Now, most folks take "I can afford this" to mean, "I have sufficient credit, and I can make the future payments as long as nothing goes wrong"

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Well put.
We have had neighbors who looked down their noses at us because we drive older and/or cheaper vehicles and don't do $75k kitchen remodels every few years or vacation in Cancun every few months.
One by one they have financially imploded.

One family in particular had $250k+ of rolling sheet metal parked in their driveway at any given moment and all the cool toys you could imagine.
This was 22 years ago (think about that for a moment).
When the economy merely glitched in the late 90's, all of that got repossessed and they had to sell their house before it was foreclosed.
They were leveraged high as a kite and then some.
But they sure set the bar high for the appearance of the neighborhood and they sure had some high-profile jobs (management and marketing of course)......
They thought we were peasants because of our old cars and bikes and actually said so behind our backs (for real).
But everything we have is paid for outright.
And we work our butts off, not afraid to get our hands dirty.
Who's laughing now?

As for the purported flammability of R-152a, you have to put it into perspective.
Almost every car has a glorified perfume sprayer or a high pressure fuel system handling highly explosive (in vapor form) and flammable liquid fuel.
There have been countless deaths and burned cars because of it.
And they are worried about something that might burn, in the right concentration, in the right circumstances, when the moon's phase is right?
As opposed to R-1234a (the new DuPont enrichment product) which is flammable and toxic over a far wider range of conditions.
Remember, R-152a is the ingredient in Dust-Off, used in many millions of homes by "untrained" persons worldwide.
With the "bitterant" added to it to discourage huffing (an utterly stupid act), you will know it is leaking and open the windows or get out of the car long before it becomes a problem.
Anti-freeze leaks anyone (glycol-induced liver damage and other fun things from chronic exposure)?

Life is a series of risks and the nanny state cannot protect us from all of them (and we should not allow them to regulate us to death trying).
While listing the items that are ignored by the professional hand wringers do not forget exhaust leaks.

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Old 05-09-2018, 04:11 PM   #29
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Oh yes....!
The silent killer.
If it doesn't kill you outright it may make you groggy enough to cause an accident.
Remember the "good old days" when if you were prudent you'd carry one of those chemically treated CO detector cards in the car just in case?
VW Beetles come to mind immediately.
Have we come all that far in that regard though?
How about SUVs that can't be run with the rear window open?

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If CO poisoning only makes you groggy that groggy is permanent. CO = permanent melon head. Does not take long either. Yes the Kraut Can could turn into a rolling gas chamber with no warning.

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Running a shroud over an exhaust manifold to provide cabin heat.
What a concept.
And the alternative was a gasoline-fueled auxiliary heater.
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But least we forget, other cars had them too (mainly but not exclusively European).

Aaaah, simpler times.

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We are fairly far off track of the original topic. But since you guys started...

My only car or bike payment ever was my SL2 when it was new. I paid it off in 6 months. I could have bought it for cash but had also factored in cash flow. I did the business case before I bought my '98 for $500. I didn't really need a 4th car but it will pay for itself in a year. Ok, a year plus as more parts get thrown at it.

I have one kid who knows he never has to have a car payment. I am working on the second. Lead by example is the best way.

Also, airplanes use exhaust shroud heat.

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Yes on most light aircraft, but aircraft are rigorously maintained and inspected unlike 99.9% of cars, many of which are notorious for exhaust manifold leaks and cracks.
And their exhaust manifold shrouds are fed from high velocity fresh air streams generally.
Different animals IMHO.

I tip my hat to you on your approach to leading by example.
We did the same thing with our family.
We haven't made a car payment in over 30 years and never allow balances to carry over on credit cards.
It can be tough to do without things to get to that point, but once there it sure is nice.

Back to the original thread subject (fair enough), I went with a rebuilt compressor from this vendor-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Saturn...9ZB9Xj&vxp=mtr
It has worked beautifully so far.
I am not so sure I'd go with a JY compressor unless there was still pressure in the system of the donor car, and even then I wouldn't want to pay much for it because I couldn't see and hear it run.
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I ended up buying this vacuum pump: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1

Also, I ended up buying an ACDelco reman: https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...267084&jsn=326

I think I've had so many compressor failures because shops simply don't know enough about refrigeration. As fdryer has said many times, refrigeration is unforgiving. This article talks about compressor failure: http://www.compressor-intl.com/HTML/...sorFailure.htm. It seems to support my theory.

In my experience, most mechanics are lazy, they take shortcuts, and don't care about quality. If you're a professional "ASE certified" mechanic, you should be following FSM procedure to the letter. No "good-n-tight," "I wonder where this bolt goes..." bs. Also I don't care about "time" and "metrics" as excuses for why my car was serviced incorrectly.

I'm looking forward to doing this AC rebuild myself. I've done a lot of research on refrigeration and have read the HVAC FSM countless times. The best part of all is, I know the job will be done right.

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