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Old 03-29-2007, 04:54 PM   #1
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Default More accurate MPG ratings

We are getting closer and closer to the truth. Here is a web site that can show you what your vehicle SHOULD be getting for mpg. I've never paid much attention to mpg other than to surmise if something is going wrong in my engine. But with gas now at over $3.00 a gallon (at least in my corner of the world) I'm looking much closer at MPG as part of the purchasing decision for my families' cars. (sorry honey, but that Honda Civic is looking better than the BMW Z4M Roadster)

Heres the site: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYear.jsp

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Old 03-29-2007, 05:47 PM   #2
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interesting site...

They are close to my avg. mpg's for my VUE.
I'm usually in the mid-20's.

However, my 1996 SL1 was different than their results...
I was getting around 43 MPG's with mine, but the site was showing low-mid 30's.

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Old 03-29-2007, 07:25 PM   #3
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thats a cool website

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Old 03-29-2007, 07:25 PM   #4
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Default Re: More accurate MPG ratings

I have run all of my cars through the comparison and all they did was move further away from my experience, I have never had any problem hitting the old numbers. The day that my SC2 can only get 34 on the highway is the day it goes to the shop to figure out what is wrong with it. As for my VUE, I was pulling 25-26 in the city all last summer, that's pretty close to the new highway mileage. The current overall average for my VUE is 24.71 and that is probably at least a 60/40 split city/highway.

On an alternate note, I noticed something in regards to my MPG. The MPG in my VUE dropped over the winter, partly due to winter gas and longer warmups, but I realized that it's also because both of my "toys" were tucked away in the garage. I have brought both of my coupes out this month and the mileage in my VUE has spiked. Coincidence? I think not. I no longer have to vent my rage in the VUE, so no more racing around, which equates to higher MPG. My last tank was 80% city and I hit 26.67MPG. It's being helped by the weather too and they might have summer gas back in town, but a lot of it is driving style.

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Old 03-29-2007, 09:05 PM   #5
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Default Re: More accurate MPG ratings

Has anyone else checked out the new EPA figures on that site?

The FWD6 takes the big hit on the highway and goes from 20/28 to 18/25

AWD6 from 19/25 to 17/24

FWD4M keeps the highway numbers from 23/29 to 20/29

FWD4A is the most interesting..the highway INCREASED
from 22/27 to 20/28

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Old 03-29-2007, 09:35 PM   #6
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FWD4M keeps the highway numbers from 23/29 to 20/29
For the '05 FWD4M, it dropped from 23/29 to 20/27. Not sure about the other years, not bored enough to check those right now.

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Old 03-29-2007, 09:46 PM   #7
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FWD4A is the most interesting..the highway INCREASED
from 22/27 to 20/28
I keep telling everyone the auto has a tall 4th gear drive ratio...allows me to cruise at 60mph @ 2000rpm or 65mph @ 2200rpm....very comfortable cruiser with the Hydra-matic. The bonus is that the 4 just sips gas at that rpm....

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Old 03-29-2007, 10:44 PM   #8
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The mileage for the 4 cylinder with either transmission is about the same. Just goes to show that modern automatics and engine computers do a good job of saving fuel when stopped. They also upshift at low RPM to save more. But I still choose to shift on my own.

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Old 03-30-2007, 02:08 AM   #9
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I keep telling everyone the auto has a tall 4th gear drive ratio...allows me to cruise at 60mph @ 2000rpm or 65mph @ 2200rpm....very comfortable cruiser with the Hydra-matic. The bonus is that the 4 just sips gas at that rpm....
M are you pulling our leg? 1800 rpm

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Old 03-30-2007, 08:07 AM   #10
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Has anyone else checked out the new EPA figures on that site?

The FWD6 takes the big hit on the highway and goes from 20/28 to 18/25

AWD6 from 19/25 to 17/24
Interesting. I guess we don't do that much hard core "city driving" as I've never seen anything close to 17. I think the worst we've ever done is about 20mpg. The best was about 25mpg. That's on an '06 AWD.

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Old 03-30-2007, 07:52 PM   #11
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Interesting. I guess we don't do that much hard core "city driving" as I've never seen anything close to 17. I think the worst we've ever done is about 20mpg. The best was about 25mpg. That's on an '06 AWD.

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In my 07 V6 FWD on one tank that was all city driving I got 18.66 mpg. On another I got 19.05 mpg. I would much rather have the advertised figures be low than high.

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Old 04-08-2007, 02:01 PM   #12
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I just took a reading on our 2006 AWD, and we got 19 MPG in a mix of city and highway driving - exactly what that site shows as a combined average.

We live on a plateau, and the VUE has to climb a pretty steep hill to come every day So that might cost us a mile or two.

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Old 04-08-2007, 02:18 PM   #13
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Default Re: More accurate MPG ratings

I also have an '04 AWD V-6 and my mileage stay's 19-20 mpg in combined highway and city driving with most being interstate driving but the interstate speed probably averages 75-80 mph moving with traffic.

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Old 04-08-2007, 03:40 PM   #14
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Old 04-08-2007, 07:00 PM   #15
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Aparantly my driving is exactly like the "New EPA's" driving, because those numbers are dead on right for me. 26 combined (23 city, 32 hwy). Seems I'm besting my K-car by 4 (it's rated at 22MPG). And my old S-10 was getting 18

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Old 04-08-2007, 07:28 PM   #16
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As far as I'm concerned, the old EPA figures appear closer to the truth
2004 V6 FWD:
Lowest mileage: a shade under 20mpg for a tank in-city
Highest mileage: a shade under 28mpg for long-distance highway and cross-country.

We're averaging closer to 23mpg, there or there abouts, as opposed to teh 20mpg figure now quoted.

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Old 04-08-2007, 07:30 PM   #17
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BTW, my 2001 SL1 gives me 30mpg for city driving. When I used to take it long-distance, I got a best of 42mpg, and regularly close to 40mpg. These figures exceed even the old EPA figures, let alone the new ones.

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Old 04-20-2007, 02:47 PM   #18
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Thanks for the link. Good info.

I have the '04 FWD V6 - and the new lower numbers are pretty much right on the money. I log mileage for every tank full and my overall average for the last 20K miles exactly matches the new mileage 'average' (20 mpg). I have occationally gotten better mileage than the stated highway mileage figure (26 mpg) and have occationally gotten worse mileage than the new City figure (18 mpg). But for average City and average Hwy numbers - the numbers pretty much match my experience exactly.

At the time I purchased the Vue, the other option I was considering was a quad-cab pickup. I see its new mileage figures as City: 14, Hwy: 18, Both: 15. That vehicle would have cost 25% more to operate. So given current (and most likely - future) gas prices, I've very glad I went with the Vue.

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Old 04-20-2007, 03:06 PM   #19
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.. Here is a web site that can show you what your vehicle SHOULD be getting for mpg...
That is still an incorrect interpretation. The revised EPA estimates are still estimates just as the prior estimates were and (here's the real and most important point) they always were for nothing more than comparing one car against another in a better or worse way. Nothing more, nothing less.

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That is still an incorrect interpretation. The revised EPA estimates are still estimates just as the prior estimates were and (here's the real and most important point) they always were for nothing more than comparing one car against another in a better or worse way. Nothing more, nothing less.
The key word is ESTIMATES...

I easily get the old EPA estmated mileage ratings, possibly the Mobil 1 oil and the Red Line's better aerodynamics help a bit. You'd think the wider tires would hurt mileage.

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