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Old 12-03-2008, 12:40 AM   #21
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for best performance what spark plugs are good and wires

i heard about nology wires but they are a bit pricey

i was also thinking which is better in order
between nology hot wires, msd super conductors, or magnecor ignition wires?


also would like a set of good spark plugs...right now am using autolite pro series
ngk or denso?

any extra information would be useful and any help i would appreciate...thanks
don't bother with nology -- they are evil. I had a set of them in 92 SC and they self-destructed so I sent them back. the second set melted on the cam cover because they were too long. sent them back. the third set made my radio buzz due to the non-resistor spark plugs that nology says to use. So I took them out and removed the nology hotwires and got magnecor kv85 wires instead. I'm using NGK spark plugs -- they work great.

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Old 12-04-2008, 04:32 AM   #22
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I found something odd. A webpage (possibly propaganda?) says that WE are wrong about using standard coppers in our Waste Spark Systems. Says that we should either use double platinum plugs or iridium plugs because they are "specifically designed" for our ignition systems....though that goes against EVERYTHING I have ever heard...ever. As a matter of fact, I heard platinum causes more misfires than copper.

Sigh, stupid webpage propaganda....

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Old 12-04-2008, 10:58 AM   #23
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I found something odd. A webpage (possibly propaganda?) says that WE are wrong about using standard coppers in our Waste Spark Systems. Says that we should either use double platinum plugs or iridium plugs because they are "specifically designed" for our ignition systems....though that goes against EVERYTHING I have ever heard...ever. As a matter of fact, I heard platinum causes more misfires than copper.

Sigh, stupid webpage propaganda....
I declare shenanigans on that web page.

If you read the information, they claim premature gap growth. As many many Saturn owners have witness, that is simply NOT true wuth copper plugs and does happen with platinum (single, I would assume). Saturn owners have has problems with Iridium plugs as well. If the engines were designed to have something other than copper, then they would. As it stands, Saturn's powertrain engineers put copper in them and that is what they run best on. It has been proven time and time again.

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Old 12-04-2008, 11:26 AM   #24
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I'm also calling propaganda. They seem to be trying to appeal to the crowd that doesn't like doing/having maintainence on their vehicles and are offering the ultra long life spark plugs.

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Many motorists don't realize that very few new vehicles still use copper core spark plugs, and those that do such as the Chrysler 5.7 Hemi V8, specify a 30,000-mile spark plug change interval.
Pretty sure the Saturn manual also says to replace the plugs at 30,000 mile intervals.

My plugs in my VUE (2.2L ecotec) were platinum from the factory. "100,000 mile plugs" they told me at the dealership. I pulled them at 50,000 miles and 3 of them were out of spec. 100,000 miles my ass.

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Old 12-04-2008, 11:32 AM   #25
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30k is very reasonable, can't complain about paying 10 bucks max every 30k.

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Old 12-04-2008, 02:11 PM   #26
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Okay, that's what I thought. I sat there last night scratching my head going "these guys have it all backwards" and now I know I wasn't wrong.

I actually change my plugs every 25k, just to make sure I'm beating any wear that may happen. I'm sure I could go longer, but ever since my last fiasco with my other car, I'm being super meticulous about my Saturn.

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Old 12-04-2008, 02:44 PM   #27
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I bought mine used with 140K on it and I'm pretty sure the plugs that I replaced were the orginal ones. My dad said that they were the hardest plugs hes ever taken out harder than ones rusted into iron head. Luckiley my valve cover gasket was made by the guy I bought the car from out of permatex and was leaking everywhere or we'd have never gotten those plugs out.

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Old 12-11-2008, 11:51 PM   #28
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I use AC Delco and they work great.

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Old 12-12-2008, 04:56 PM   #29
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Quick dumb question: You guys use anti-seizing compound when you pop the new plugs in? I had my uncle try to tell me that anti-seizing compound is bad and stupid...

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Old 12-12-2008, 05:25 PM   #30
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Quick dumb question: You guys use anti-seizing compound when you pop the new plugs in? I had my uncle try to tell me that anti-seizing compound is bad and stupid...
there's debate about whether or not it's necessary. i used it on mine. most will tell you it's not needed on most plugs, and that it may hurt as far as getting the proper torque. otherwise, IIRC, it's harmless.

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Old 12-12-2008, 06:09 PM   #31
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there's debate about whether or not it's necessary. i used it on mine. most will tell you it's not needed on most plugs, and that it may hurt as far as getting the proper torque. otherwise, IIRC, it's harmless.
If you do not use antiseize on a non nickle plated plug you run the real risk of having it stick in the head tight enough to take the treads with it when it comes back out. The Champion and later NGK plugs are nickle plated so they supposedly do not stick in aluminum heads. The NGK are also polished which the champion are not. If you are not a big fan of potentially replacing a cylinder head then use a small amount of preferably nickle based antiseize or as a minimum the aluminum based product. This will effect torque. So leave the torque wrench on the bench or divide the vendor recommended 18 to 20 ft-lb by 2. Or screw the plug in by hand only till tight and then with a ratchet tighten until the gasket is crushed and then pull up tight, this is a bout 1/4 turn from first contact. About as tight as a pickle jar lid. Once the gasket is crushed it is very little more to done. They will not come back out.

If you are dealing with the taper seat plugs they have to be torqued in or they leak.

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Old 12-12-2008, 06:42 PM   #32
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I'm also calling propaganda.
They probably get a higher commission from the iridium click-thru ad (just below the article) than they would from a copper one. That may just be all there is to it.

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Old 12-12-2008, 06:48 PM   #33
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If you do not use antiseize on a non nickle plated plug you run the real risk of having it stick in the head tight enough to take the treads with it when it comes back out. The Champion and later NGK plugs are nickle plated so they supposedly do not stick in aluminum heads. The NGK are also polished which the champion are not.
Sooner or later I'm going to replace the Bosch Platinums I've had in there with these 99-cent Champion coppers; would you advise using teflon tape? Or stick with anti-seize (or nothing at all, since they're Champions and are therefore probably nickel-plated)?

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Sooner or later I'm going to replace the Bosch Platinums I've had in there with these 99-cent Champion coppers; would you advise using teflon tape? Or stick with anti-seize (or nothing at all, since they're Champions and are therefore probably nickel-plated)?
Teflon tape on plugs? Use anti-seize, or nothing at all. But not Teflon tape.

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I'm trying NOT to imagine how that would smell the first time the engine got up to temp.....

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Old 12-13-2008, 12:58 AM   #36
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All I can say is that the Accel coil pack I got for Christmas last year is in my garage because I won't sell it to a saturn owner! My car went to s**t when I installed it! The Acell wires are working ok. Stay with copper plugs. When people tell you that this car does not like Ignition changes, THEY ARE RIGHT!! keep it stock. If something better was available, It would have come with it!

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Old 12-13-2008, 04:43 PM   #37
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Teflon tape on plugs? Use anti-seize, or nothing at all. But not Teflon tape.
Okay, won't do that, then.

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Well then what is better? you all got different opinions lol. What about MSD coils, MSD wires and copper plugs? Will that work as a better response source?
I was thinking that for my car, plus the red look

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Don't waste your money. There is not much you can do to boost the ignition system in these cars... You would be wasting your money. Just get NGK copper plugs and OEM replacement wires. Take it from someone who has done what you are asking about.
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Hehe i guess that was for me?

Just to let ya know i have bosch wires and ACdelco copper plugs (with nickel alloy electrode tip) I think they're both OEM replacement, so is it any way to pimp up my wires with red?

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