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Old 10-07-2015, 09:27 PM   #1
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Default 2008 Astra - CA Approved Catalytic Converter - Unable to pass inspection

MY car is up for inspection in NY. It failed due to code PO420 which is for the catalytic converter. Both NY and California have stricter standards than the other 48 states. Apparently, there is no cat available in the country to replace the one on the car that meets these new requirements for NY or CA.

So my car is unable to pass inspection due to what is apparently an ultimately unfixable issue.

What can I do???
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How many miles did your CAT last?

GM part is still available yes?

And not too pricey as Cats go. Seen some Toyotas upwards of $1300.00

GM part number 55564187 - 478.00 LIST

http://www.iamgmparts.com/saturn/ast...haust-manifold

NY or CA cannot impose any stricter standards than the factory parts meet so no issues there.
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Old 10-11-2015, 04:29 PM   #3
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Magnaflow also carries a CAT for the Astra which is made to meet CA and NY requirements.

http://www.magnaflow.com/products?partNumber=51150
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Nic it says on that page: All Federal catalytic converters meet EPA requirements. Federal Catalytic Converters are not legal for sale, installation or use on vehicles registered in the state of California.

Checked the CA Executive Order Database at:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php

No Magnaflow Cats listed.
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A direct bolt-in may not be available, but there should be a universal available that meets CARB standards. (welding required)
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Nic it says on that page: All Federal catalytic converters meet EPA requirements. Federal Catalytic Converters are not legal for sale, installation or use on vehicles registered in the state of California.

Checked the CA Executive Order Database at:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php

No Magnaflow Cats listed.
Would it work for a car trying to pass in NY?
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MY car is up for inspection in NY. It failed due to code PO420 which is for the catalytic converter. Both NY and California have stricter standards than the other 48 states. Apparently, there is no cat available in the country to replace the one on the car that meets these new requirements for NY or CA.

So my car is unable to pass inspection due to what is apparently an ultimately unfixable issue.

What can I do???
In CA there is a waiver process one can attempt to go through if there's a problem securing replacement parts, or there are other extenuating circumstances. Perhaps the same thing exists in NY's smog program.
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A direct bolt-in may not be available, but there should be a universal available that meets CARB standards. (welding required)
That does not appear to be the case. Looking at the GM parts sites and their parts breakdown pages, the catalytic converter and exhaust manifold are one unit - no separate converter in the exhaust system piping.

The site below has it for sale at a significantly reduced price. Shipping costs would be your concern. If you can find a site which ships from a location closer to you then that cost will go down. The location for the site below is in AZ. Interestingly, the only replacement part number listed doesn't specify whether or not it is Federal or CA/NY only compliant. It would appear that the OE manufacturer decided on only one part to cover all smog regulations.

http://www.gmpartscenter.net/auto-pa...-manifold-scat ...... a footnote on the manifold/converter part: there is a refundable core charge.
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drinxx, unless you ask a licensed inspection station or visit NYS DMV to review state safety and emissions regulations (http://www.dmv.org/ny-new-york/smog-check.php), you may be distracted from whatever information is 'out there'. Some fear mongers here tend to spread misinformation, especially in relation to comparing California and New York. Personally, I do not see anything about New York state placating federal EPA emissions regulations by instituting their own against federally recognized rules. If you read NYS guidelines about emissions inspection, all vehicles from 1996 and on are required to pass emissions self tests using OBD II on every car sold in the USA. Your Astra meets this OBD II standard so NYS simply plugs in their state computer system to download the same information we all see when using a personal reader or scantool. NYS does not see any more information than what a generic reader displays. In other words, if the engine computer wasn't reset manually recently and the SES/CEL/MIL turns on and turns off during normal starting prior to the inspection station seeking OBD II info from the car, your car already passed emissions. The key phrase to remember; if the check engine light isn't ON and no pending errors are in memory, the car passes. Any 'P' type error code automatically fails emissions inspection.

The two items related to P0420 are the downstream (post catcon) O2 sensor and the catcon. Mileage has some bearing on when catcons wear out, any leaded fuel used or magic elixirs poured into the tank to boost power or provide cleaning, silicone products that enter the catcon and if the exhaust system has pinholes anywhere upstream of the catcon (flexpipe is one area). Nothing in the NYS DMV regulations mentions anything about catalytic converters whether they're California/New York "approved/certified/whatever" or not. As I understand it, you are free to repair or replace whatever is needed to have the OBD II diagnostics perform its own emissions self tests to pass with whatever is required. Not the most expensive catcon or high priced O2 sensor, just what's needed to accomplish the requirements to pass emissions. Nothing more, nothing less. In other words, a repair.
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Eventhough they rely heavily on OBDII for the emissions test there still is a visual inspection component to the test. The fact that the CAT for the Astra is sort of right out in the open would mandate that most inspectors would look for the proper identification for an aftermarket CAT that met the standards. Unless they saw something that looked factory. In that case they would pass it. I think even the factory ones now come with CARB information on them since they know they might get sold in CA.

But Fdryer is correct if you can clear the code and clear your monitors with the proper drive cycles before the code sets again you could get it through SMOG for a couple more years. Will eventually have to face the problem though, even when you sell it.
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GM part number 55564187 - 478.00 LIST

http://www.iamgmparts.com/saturn/ast...haust-manifold
oh Jeesh in the time since I provided this link the part has changed to "DISCONTINUED". Thats no good. If you see any in stock snatch them up we may need them in the future!!

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Would it work for a car trying to pass in NY?
The Magnaflow Federal 51150 catalytic converter is not CARB (California Air Resources Board) compliant as stated at the Magnflow website. While that is true, it does not automatically mean that the part cannot be used in NYS. One would have to consult the NYS smog regulations.
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The Magnaflow Federal 51150 catalytic converter is not CARB (California Air Resources Board) compliant as stated at the Magnflow website. While that is true, it does not automatically mean that the part cannot be used in NYS. One would have to consult the NYS smog regulations.
I just count myself lucky that I live up north of US and as long as there is no CEL our cars pass emissions tests easily. I'm lucky enough to have a full front half of the exhaust (Manifold with cat and flex pipe section with cat) sitting in my office in case I need it down the road.
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The Magnaflow Federal 51150 catalytic converter is not CARB (California Air Resources Board) compliant as stated at the Magnflow website. While that is true, it does not automatically mean that the part cannot be used in NYS. One would have to consult the NYS smog regulations.
True . Although NY (and about 14 other states) have adopted much of the California SMOG requirements that may not extend to aftermarket catalytic converter labeling guidelines CA has.
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Found the general rule for NY:

NEW YORK (Planned Effective 6 / 1 / 13)

For model years 1993, 1994, or 1996 and newer, aftermarket replacement converters for California Emissions Certified vehicles licensed in the state of New York must, by law, be CARB-compliant. It is, however, still legal to use EPA-compliant converters in these two circumstances:

1.) Vehicle model year 1995, or vehicle models older than 1993; and
2.) Federal / EPA Only Emissions Certified vehicles, regardless of model year.

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And I think OP's car being a Federal / EPA only car is out of the question because all Astra's Imported were certified for the CA standard. That is Why we all got the same crappy low polluting engine.
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