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Old 05-19-2007, 07:51 PM   #1
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Default To get at the timing chain... ?

The instructions on Autozone's site for DOHC say to remove timing chain cover buit don't mention any prerequisites... don't you have to remove a bunch of other crap first? Don't you have to take off the crank pulley and the tensioner pulley first? And the cam cover? (Sorry... novice here, have read many timing chain threads here but still unsure).

Also, when removing the timing chain cover and the valve cover do new gaskets need to be put on?

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Old 05-19-2007, 07:59 PM   #2
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Default Re: To get at the timing chain... ?

its a pain in the neck to do it in-frame but it can be done. i did one on an SOHC engine and it wasn't that bad.

you do need a new gasket (RTV bead only) on the timing cover. if you're using an OEM rubber gasket on the valve cover and it is in good shape you can re-use that one. don't forget to re-do the points on the chain cover where it meets the valve cover with a little extra RTV.

practice doing a dry-run on everything before attempting to get the chain cover back on the car permanently with wet RTV. that way you won't knock it out of place on the re-install.

water pump can stay, P/S pump should probably be pulled (leave hoses in place). crank pulley must be removed. don't forget about the smaller 8mm head bolts near the idler pulley. tensioner comes off also. 4 smaller 8mm bolts on the underside that bolt the oil pan to the chain cover also.

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Old 05-19-2007, 09:36 PM   #3
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Default Re: To get at the timing chain... ?

There is this bracket that bolts onto the body ( 3 bolts from the wheel well.) I think this is from the torque axis mount, but don't remember exactly. I found that by removing this it gave me additional clearance that made working frame-in so much easier. Well worth the few extra minutes it took to take off and put back on.

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Old 05-20-2007, 07:11 AM   #4
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I did it in a '96 SC2. As others have said, it's a PITA but, doable. You will need to remove the top engine mount. You can either support things with a jack under the oil pan or put a small piece of wood in under the bottom dogbone. The jack might be easier because you'll be able to move things around a little. I used the wood. The first problem you are going to have is getting the pulley off the end of the crankshaft. Here's a link to a thread that suggests several ways to do it.

You do have to get the power steering pump out of the way. As I recall, that involves getting a hidden bolt out through the hole in the pulley. I can't remember whether I took loose the alternator or the A/C compressor. There weren't any suprises if I did. You do have to take off the tensioner and the idler pulley. Take the pulley off the tensioner first, then unbolt the bolts that hold it on. When you get all the bolts out, you have to pry the cover off. MAKE SURE YOU GOT ALL THE BOLTS!!! They hide a couple in the middle of the cover.

When you go to put the cover back on, do a couple dry runs without RTV. It's tricky to get it on with the RTV intact.

Lastly, I'll suggest you invest in a Chilton's or a Haynes manual. For no other reason than for the pictures that show how to get the colored links on the chain lined up right.

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Old 05-20-2007, 12:01 PM   #5
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Default Re: To get at the timing chain... ?

The crank pulley just pulls off Barn Owl. Unless you have run into some really stuck on ones. Remove the crank bolt and then just wiggle and pull the pulley right off.
Hardest thing about getting the timing cover back on is getting everything lined up so the oil pump gear slides back over the end of the crank. I did this out of the car and it sucked! It will take a few tries.

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Old 05-20-2007, 09:08 PM   #6
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The crank pulley just pulls off Barn Owl. Unless you have run into some really stuck on ones. Remove the crank bolt and then just wiggle and pull the pulley right off.
You are correct. Getting the bolt out is the hard part. That's what I was referring too.

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Old 05-20-2007, 09:58 PM   #7
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Things that must be removed completely:

Tensioner
Top Motor Mount
Water Pump Pulley
Crankshaft Pulley
Cam Cover

The power steering pump can be unbolted, and shoved back into the firewall.

I would definitely recommend the jack under the oil pan (with a block of wood to distribute the load) so that you can use the jack to raise and lower the engine, giving you better access to the bolts.

You'll definitely want to pull that tire and all the splash guards to give you full access to all the bolts. USE JACK STANDS TO SUPPORT THE VEHICLE.

Make sure you thoroughly clean all mating surfaces on the block and on the cover or you will have a leak.

If the cam cover doesn't pop off with relatively little force, you've missed a bolt. Prying it WILL break the cover, and it's expensive.

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Old 05-21-2007, 11:23 AM   #8
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put a 2x4 block of wood between the lower dogbone and the subframe. Use a jack under the oil pan to lower the engine when you unbolt the top axis mount so there's no stress on its threads. But then you can lower the jack when you're done and it should rest peacefully on the wood and subframe.

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Old 05-22-2007, 12:28 PM   #9
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hi im lookin for a timing chain cover for my saturn sl2 1992 DOHC 1.9 I broke mine when my girlfriend backed into my car, i also broke timing chain cover ,valve cove lower engine mount ,smashed my windshield washer tank and this thang that gose inside of the front bumper it was smashed ot it had like black sand or something in it it had 2 ruber lines running from it going to the enginecan somone here help me ? i dont know what that thang was ? but anyways if anyone can help me it would be nice thanks for everything buh bye

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Old 05-22-2007, 02:13 PM   #10
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[QUOTE=patrick_johnson;1061708]hi im lookin for a timing chain cover for my saturn sl2 1992 DOHC 1.9 I broke mine when my girlfriend backed into my car, i also broke timing chain cover ,valve cove lower engine mount ,smashed my windshield washer tank and this thang that gose inside of the front bumper it was smashed ot it had like black sand or something in it it had 2 ruber lines running from it going to the enginecan somone here help me ? i dont know what that thang was ? but anyways if anyone can help me it would be nice thanks for everything buh bye

That sounds like the charcoal cannister. With all this damage what did it do to the frame?

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