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![]() A new story entry has been added:
New GM CEO Not Fazed by Future Competition from Saturn Brand, Peugeot Cited As Potential Partner Quote:
... 2008 Saturn Outlook XR 2005 VUE Red Line 2002 L300 (sold)
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![]() I just wonder where they got the Peugeot story from?
... marx404 Saturn lives on. 1994 SL2 2002 SC2 2007 ION.3 2008 Astra XE 2004 L300.1
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![]() Why keep the Saturn name alive under a foreign brand when the whole point was to have a competitive American car company?
... Celebrity Eurosport. When the road gets a little nervous, take one of these.
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![]() Regardless of who the manufacturing source might be, do you think it is really necessary for Saturn to only sell US built vehicles? Isn't it more about the buying and ownership experience that sets Saturn apart from the other brands?
How do you feel about the Astra and the current VUE? Both are built out of the country, yet are great vehicles sold and serviced by great retailers. For good or bad, the world has changed since 1990. It seems only fitting that Saturn evolve as well. I'd like to see what the future holds.
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![]() For the same reason you bought a car built by a foreign company and yet still come here to post.
... "That government is best which governs not at all; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have" - H.D. Thoreau
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... marx404 Saturn lives on. 1994 SL2 2002 SC2 2007 ION.3 2008 Astra XE 2004 L300.1
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![]() No, for me it was always more about the car than the retail side and marketing bs. And yes, I did buy a car from a foreign company, but I don't feel the same sense of pride with my Subaru that I did with the old Saturn. I'd have stuck with Saturn if they didn't let me down. And I wish there was a truly American car that I wanted to buy.
... Celebrity Eurosport. When the road gets a little nervous, take one of these.
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![]() I went to the NY auto show today...there are some really nice looking cars from the US manufacturers. I like the Ford Fusion, but wish it wasn't built in Mexico. The Chevy Volt looks very cool, though it's expensive and the technology is obviously new. Buick even has some nice looking sedans now!
I like the VW CC, but man it's expensive with the V-6 and AWD. I was just as disappointed with the new Subaru Legacy in person as I was with the photos, unfortunately. I don't think I'll be buying another Subaru. ![]() ... Celebrity Eurosport. When the road gets a little nervous, take one of these.
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![]() Peugeot ???
have you seen their cars? They better develop bigger and better cars if they want them to be successful in the states
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![]() Oh, saw the Chevy Cruze for the first time...didn't look like anything special. I don't care for the filler piece behind the back door where they kind of cheated, but it looks better I suppose than having the glass end abruptly with no filler, like with the Saturn Ion.
... Celebrity Eurosport. When the road gets a little nervous, take one of these.
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I also suspect that PSA is in better financial health than Mitsubishi. ![]() ... No more Saturns! :( '11 & '15 Subaru Forester; '15 Nissan Altima
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If a corporation stops providing value to the society, it has no value. Saturn is worthless unless it has more meaning than just the car. There are plenty of asian branded vehicles that are equal or better to the VUE and Astra that are at least built here.
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They have solid products, good engineering, and thanks to the exchange rate, would probably welcome building these in the US. Plus, they have dabled in polymer over the years. So, lets toss out the Freedom fries, and welcome the French! Viva la Peugot!
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Buick...can't wait till they go under or get sold or leased out entirely to the Chinese.
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![]() The problem with Peugeots is more one of engine and transmission choice I suppose. Peugeot (and Citroen, both are part of the same group) is known for its diesel engines, which aren't a big seller in North America. They do have gas engines but, well, the strongest gas engine they put in a 207 is a 1.6L engine, which gives 150 hp in its turbo version or 120 in its standard version. Peugeot offers a 4 speed automatic for its 1.6L non-turbo engine, but equipped this way its 0-100 Km/h (roughly 0-60 mph) is slower than 11 seconds. Unless they put in a stronger engine (like VW does) there's a potential problem there.
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![]() Yeah that worked out well for them so far.....I would say plan B should be in order. Forget about being American, think about staying alive first!
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![]() Unfortunately, this article does not detail what the "partnership" means. It can mean a lot of different things.
And Henderson is right about where GM's problem lie : Quote:
Speaking of costs, the UAW is a massive cost for GM that foreign transplants do not have. The money doesn't just go to current workers. The pensions, healthcare benefits, 401K etc. all add up. Finally, the dealership network is just massive. I live in a big city that has several "auto malls" (areas with a congregation of many car dealerships). Some of these auto malls has Pontiac/Buick/GMC dealership on one end, Chev on the other end and Saturn/Saab sandwiched in the middle. That's 3X the people to serve one set of GM customers. So, getting rid of Saturn will help GM in the long run. In the mean time, Saturn needs to salvage what it has going for it to recover some of the investments people made in building the dealerships. Partnering with Peugeot may or may not help both sides of the party depending on the degree of partnership. Here's one possible scenerio : Peugeot needs North American presence and Saturn need products to market. But what does Peugeot know about the North American market? Probably not as much as Saturn. As such, if Saturn designs the cars, shares cosmetic engineering with Peugeot and sells/services Peugeot cars, while leaving the manufacturing to Peugeot (let them deal with union issues - one of the key issue that's dogging GM), then Saturn effectively avoids all the problem GM is having now (too many brands, manufacturing unions and bloated dealer network). The question is, will Peugeot (or anyone other manufacturer) bite?
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In terms of man-hours to make one car, unionized factories in the US are about as efficient as the Japanese factories.
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If so, I feel bad for the retired workers. That was the plan they signed up for years ago and now, through no fault of their own, they lose the pensions. Those plans were unsustainable given today's economy (stock market tanked, near zero bond rates, Obama administration printing money, etc.) May be hyperinflation is the only way to get out of this mess since this culture is so adverse to pay cuts.
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