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Old 01-21-2017, 01:25 PM   #1
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Default 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

2005 Vue, manual. Just spent $500 to replace shifter cables. Now there is a pool of fluid under the engine. No signs of leaks in hoses or reseviour. Mechanic said most likely it's the slave cylinder for $700 for them to replace. I thought I should redo the clutch once everything is apart for another $500. Car has 158k on it and is only worth $1500.

I am not handy enough to do this myself. With that many miles, I don't want to replace the transmission issues just to have something else go wrong. The clutch seemed strong to me so maybe I shouldn't replace it now?

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Old 01-21-2017, 03:23 PM   #2
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Default Re: 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

You need to determine exactly what fluid the puddle is. Check fluid levels in master and slave cylinders, Changing the cables does not have anything to do with the slave cylinder. It is always possible that the leak merely coincided with the cable replacement, or not. How well do you know your mechanic? Find someone you know and trust for a second opinion. With proper care, both the engine and transmission are good for another 50-100K miles.
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Old 01-21-2017, 04:08 PM   #3
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Default Re: 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

Thanks for the reply,

It is hydrolic fluid under the car. And the reservoir is completely empty. Slave cylinder is internal so I cant check the fluid in it. Clutch pedal is limp. I can only change gears when car is off.

With my mileage is it recommended to replace the clutch at this time?
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Old 01-21-2017, 06:35 PM   #4
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Default Re: 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

Only if your clutch is worn out. Clutch replacement has got to be expensive; I have never had to do it. I believe the hydraulic system can be repaired without digging into the transaxle so there is no cost savings by bundling the two procedures. If you fill the reservoir, can you actuate the clutch a few times before the fluid is gone? Or does the fluid run out as fast as you pour it in?
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Old 01-21-2017, 06:38 PM   #5
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Default Re: 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

I havent tried that. Is there a chance the symptoms could be a different issue?
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Old 01-21-2017, 06:50 PM   #6
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I don't think so. A dry reservoir, puddle of fluid and soft pedal are compelling evidence of a leak somewhere in the system. You say a pool of fluid is on the floor, whose floor? The shops garage or your driveway/garage?
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:20 PM   #7
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Default Re: 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

I was running errands and all of a sudden thr pedal was soft. There was a small pool under the car. I drove it to the mechanic shop in 1st gear, when he came to check it out he noticed an additional small puddle.

Im seeing on the forums the whole engine doesnt have to be pulled out to replace the slave. All the mechanics are quoting 12 hours labor. Which is correct?
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Labor rates are based solely on values in a service manual. They are usually inflated. I don't think the engine has to be touched to repair the hydraulics. There is plenty of room to work.
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the reservoir is completely empty.
DId you add brake fluid to it yet?
CLean it up to spot where exactly it is leaking from, and how fast. Maybe all it is 's a leaky bleeder.
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Mechanic said most likely it's the slave cylinder for $700 for them to replace.
Looks like the entire hydraulic system is a one piece integrated part.



About $120 on Rockauto. Can't imagine it would take 5 hours to change out.
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I agree. Hardest part is probably shimmying under the dash and disconnecting/reconnecting it from the pedal.
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:43 AM   #12
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Default Re: 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

Someone will probably correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the Vue has essentially the same manual trans as the Ion.

The reason you are getting such a high quote is because the slave cylinder is INSIDE the transmission. The transmission has to be removed for the clutch slave cylinder to be replaced. On the Ion this involves dropping the sub frame as well which makes this job incredibly labor intensive. The clutch is usually replaced at this point because it is right there and you are going to all this effort. Have you asked any of the mechanics what is involved and why so much time is needed? I guarantee this is why.
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Someone will probably correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the Vue has essentially the same manual trans as the Ion.

The reason you are getting such a high quote is because the slave cylinder is INSIDE the transmission. The transmission has to be removed for the clutch slave cylinder to be replaced. On the Ion this involves dropping the sub frame as well which makes this job incredibly labor intensive. The clutch is usually replaced at this point because it is right there and you are going to all this effort. Have you asked any of the mechanics what is involved and why so much time is needed? I guarantee this is why.
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Default Re: 2005 Vue Leaking Hyrdolic Fluid - Best Option?

IMHO - Your screwed.

Sounds like the slave cylinder let go. I replaced mine about 9 months ago.

To replace the slave, the tranny needs to come out.

If you decide to replace the slave, I would urge you to replace the clutch and pressure plate at the same time. AND, also consider replacing the two axles seals on the tranny and also replace the engines rear crankshaft seal.

Replacing the clutch:

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=222576

Bleeding the slave cylinder:

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=222577

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Mechanic said most likely it's the slave cylinder for $700 for them to replace. I thought I should redo the clutch once everything is apart for another $500. Car has 158k on it and is only worth $1500.
If it isn't drivable, I don't think so. Where you at? I'd take it as trade towards my Redline if you want to dump it.
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[QUOTE=afrodave;2230155]2005 Vue, manual. Mechanic said most likely it's the slave cylinder for $700 for them to replace. I thought I should redo the clutch once everything is apart for another $500. QUOTE]

Something doesn't sound right here... $700 to drop the tranny and replace the slave cylinder? Ok, that sounds reasonable.
But an additional $500 to replace the release bearing, clutch plate, and pressure plate? No, sorry. A clutch kit on Rock Auto is $175 and is already exposed to do the slave. Figure a 1/2 hour labor to swap the clutch and $75 to resurface the flywheel. The whole job should be less than $1K, not $1200.
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:36 PM   #17
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i just did this on my 04. You for sure have to drop the trans. Not a huge deal for any shop. Since I had the k member out I replaced some bushings and ball joints at the same time. My only repair issue was the slave cylinder, but I replaced the slave, master cyl, and the pipe between them. All separate parts BTW. I also replaced the pressure plate and friction plate since I was there. When I pulled the friction plate it was in remarkably good shape, so I measured the thickness and it had only worn 3 thousandths compared to the new plate. (Same LUK brand plate as the original). I put it on the shelf since there are 3 Vues in my household. This was on a vehicle with about 250,000 miles.

And definitely have your rear main seal replaced while they are in there. I totally forgot mine and I just hit 300,000 on my Vue and the rear main started leaking a little bit.
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