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Old 03-06-2018, 12:44 PM   #1
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I had posted this in the off topic section, but I will post here to see if I can get a bit more traction and responses.

Just wanted to post here to get some ideas for later this year and potentially into 2019. My current daily driver is a 1999 SL, bare bones model- that currently has 195K miles on it. With 2019 approaching and my 99 SL turning 20 years old next year- I think it is time to move on.... While I will be moving on from Saturn ownership- I will still have my 1994 Homecoming Edition, and my current 1999 Saturn SL- may become a third car that is a backup car to what we decide to purchase, or it may be sold outright... I haven't decided yet. I will still help out from time to time on here with people that have questions, but as to having a "Daily Driver" that is a Saturn- I think it is time to move on.

I've been in the Saturn S-Series fold since 1997- when I purchased my first Saturn (a 1994 SC1- that lasted me 11 years.)

Everything I have learned from a car repair standpoint- has been thanks to Saturn, and I wouldn't change a thing. I enjoy being able to repair my own cars.

Although- I am at a point now- in my mid 40s, where I would prefer to be driving my cars; rather then spending time working on them.

I've owned 8 Saturns over the past 20 years, and they have all been great cars, even with all of the Saturn "Quirks"...

I've posted from time to time about getting ideas for other cars to move onto.

I would like to hear from everyone to see what would be considerable replacement vehicles that would take the place of the Saturn S-Series.

I've looked at/test driven the Chevy Cruze (REALLY like the manual trans in that car); and I have also had a Nissan Ultima and a Toyota Corolla as Rental cars; that I enjoyed as well for the rental time frame that I had them.

I'm wondering for those of you who may own any of these cars... are they decent cars? Me and my wife are looking at something that we would be purchasing used probably towards the end of this year, after our Van is paid off and we can save up some money to buy something outright so that we are not diving back into an auto loan.

I want something that is fairly decent, and easy to work on- something that my wife and I can share in driving around; and is going to be something that can haul me, the wife, our 11 year old son, and our dog; if we go somewhere. A decent mid-size family car, but not something that is a boat.

I'm not particularly fond of Ford- BUT, if I did go the route of Ford- I would only consider the Ford Fusion (which we had as a rental for vacation, and it was a decent car.)

I'm not fond of Chrysler either.

I would consider Chevy, GMC, maybe Nissan, maybe Toyota...

Thoughts, Ideas, Comments, Years to consider?
Manual or Auto Trans....

Currently I don't have a full on budget- but I would venture to say, that if my wife and I are able to put some money away- we may be looking to purchase a car that is in the $2K-$5K range, roughly.

Any thoughts on the models that I have mentioned?

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Old 03-07-2018, 10:55 AM   #2
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Unless you are just against owning an older vehicle. There are still some very low mileage Saturns out there. Just last year I picked up a 45K mile 2004 Saturn L-Series wagon. A real cream puff.

Low purchase price and low insurance rates make these older Saturns a smart buy.

Low mileage cars are out there. Just got to be willing to travel to find them and drive them home.

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Old 03-07-2018, 11:37 AM   #3
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As much as I would like to stay within the Saturn fold- the ability to get parts for a lot of the older S-Series; especially first gen (91-94,95); is getting harder and harder to find- even at the local yards.

I'm all for low mileage cars- but at the same time; it's the time finding them and then negotiating a good price.

Believe me- I have enjoyed my Saturn ownership- but even my friend Saturn Mechanic who worked for Saturn for 20+ years, even has moved on as well.

Most of the first few years of S-Series cars, in most states; are now eligible for Historic status (25 years old is the starting point).

As I mentioned- I've just got to a point, where I would rather be driving my cars, rather then working on them.

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Old 03-07-2018, 12:25 PM   #4
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Low purchase price? lol yeah, not anymore. $800+ for a 130k mile rusted out POS just because it gets better than 30mpg or over $2000 if it somehow isn't rusted out. Now I'm getting AWD's for the same I was getting S-Series for ($300-$700). Not much worse MPG, not in any better shape body-wise and 100% more fun the entire year.

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Hey 2ndsout,

I left the Saturn fold in the fall of 2016 as my 2006 Ion was starting to give me maintenance issues regularly. I traded it for a 2015 Buick Verano that had languished on a rural dealer's lot for 15 months before I picked it up.

I love how quiet my car is, it rides well, it's stuffed full of convenience features and has a full array of safety features. As I approach 19K miles, I've only had to take the car in for regular oil changes.

My Verano was a cousin to the first-generation Cruze. The current Verano is not sold here with the current Cruze.

Since you're interested in used, you might want to consider a used '13-'17 Verano Leather to base trims, all of which came with the 2.4L four-cylinder (180 hp) and the six-speed automatic.

One negative is that the Verano's back seat is no roomier than the old Cruze's was so with an 11 y/o son, that may be a deal-breaker for you. Another is that the Verano weighs around 3400 pounds so gas mileage, especially in city driving, can be lower than expected from a small Buick that was never meant to be an economy car. I get around 23 mpg city in my car. The highest I've recorded is 31 mpg but that was on a trip.

If the Verano holds no appeal, the 2011-2015 Cruze should be a great yet economical choice to succeed your S-series.

Good luck with your decision next year!

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Old 03-07-2018, 10:35 PM   #6
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This is the cheapest and newest Verano I found on cars.com with allegedly 5 miles - $15,900. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4572/overview/

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Old 03-07-2018, 10:37 PM   #7
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And here's the cheapest Cruze I located for comparison's sake. - https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7751/overview/

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Old 06-17-2018, 03:03 PM   #8
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2NDSOUT, With all due respect, 2-5K would be a reasonable down payment on a new or late-model Chevy Cruze. Though you do not prefer to have a loan, interest rates are not going to stay low forever, and I believe the Fed plans to raise them in 2019 by half percent increments.

The question is how long of a term do you want. The shorter the term, the higher the monthly payment, but the less interest the bank gets and the faster you pay off the note. You put equity into your car quicker as well.

As far as Ford is concerned, they're getting out of the car business. In two years, everything but the Mustang and Focus hatch will be crossovers and SUVs, and even the Focus hatch is going to be marketed as an activity vehicle, geared toward the Subaru Crosstrek. I rented a Focus and Elantra within the last six months and found the Focus interior to be claustrophobic, but that's me. YMMV. The Elantra was an OK experience and was a bit on the peppier side compared to the Focus, and there seemed to be more interior space.

FCA is no better, Marchionne kicked the can of whether Chrysler or Dodge should be jettisoned down the road - 2022 to be exact. I wouldn't purchase from a brand that was given a stay of execution and your only choice if you want a compact car from them is the Fiat.

Altima is the mid-sized car, which is all new for 2019 and should be on dealers lots within four months. Sentra is Nissan's compact offering. Unfortunately, Nissan has not offered a manual transmission in any of their sedans in many years, Maxima included.

If you can tolerate the CVT, Sentra is a good alternative to the Cruze, but the Cruze is narrowing the gap. Altima is another step up the price ladder, but when the '19 arrives, they'll be dealing to move the '18s and resale will benefit the buyer.

Like Nissan and Hyundai, Toyota has really become a rental fleet queen with the Camry and Corolla. But either one is the way to go if you want no-fuss and reliable transport.

I'm surprised you did not mention either the Civic or 3, which are class leading product, but if I'm in your shoes, I'll take the Chevy Cruze FTW. Good luck with whatever decision you make.


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when my car was totaled by my insurance company and I was facing scrambling to get another car I considered buying a brand new Subaru Outback. After a long and hard look at them I realized 1. there very expensive 2. there are a different kind of car altogether and those who drive those are more performance-driven as opposed to utilitarian like my station wagons were, and 3. there just is nothing like a Saturn it has a certain quality to it and if you would appreciate that you're not going to really find that in other cars. So I looked around and found several inexpensive low mileage one so I'm Taking My Chances and I would rather much rather invest in repairing an old Saturn then get into repairing a new different and foreign car to me. Good luck on your choice and I understand it but I along with many others here have decided to entrench for the long run. Scott

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I personally avoid 2000-2008 GM cars like the plague. Ecotecs are often buggy and more trouble than they're worth. Nissan hasn't exactly put their best foot forward either. I'd stick with Toyota if you can find a good one in your price range. It's barebones, but my buddy has a Yaris and he loves it.

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So far as the Toyota is concerned, the Corolla may be the better proposition than the Yaris, as the former is a compact and the latter is a subcompact.

Both are good cars, but if 2NDSOUT is looking for a Cruze-sized vehicle, the compact Corolla fits that bill better, has good resale value, and late model versions are plentiful.


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So, here is an update. To make a long story short- My father was diagnosed with Dementia back in April 2017. The struggle has been on and off over the past year, in regards to him driving, with my Father just being very stand offish about "Who" is going to drive, etc... If you haven't dealt with anyone who has had Dementia- it is a very difficult and hard aspect to see someone who is Family, basically disappear before your eyes....

Flash Forward to October 2018- my Stepmother had been driving him around- but its not the same (Mom passed away in 2005)... Back in October- both my Stepmother and Father were involved in an accident in her car. She was driving and wound up wrecking into another car; and totaled her 2005 Chevy Malibu.

They are both okay; but it really was a bit of a call- to say that, both of them should not be driving. The final straw was a few weeks ago- when my father drove his car over to a Family Friend's house; and basically drove through their yard...

My brother and sister- had a really hard talk with him last Tuesday; about Driving. Probably one of the last lucid conversations; to which he reluctantly agreed that he shouldn't be driving. On Wednesday, I went over to visit with my Sister and Father. My sister was really upset about trying to sell Dad's car- and then she said, "Unless you want his car"...

His car is a 2007 Mazda 6 Sport Touring Edition, that he bought brand new. The car is a 5 Speed, with all of the options. My sister gifted the car to me; and Saturday- we signed the Title over to Me. I still have to go get a new title and new plates. But the car is almost in prestine condition; and it only has 103K miles on it.

My Dad was very religious about doing the oil changes on it, and getting things fixed on it. In the past few years, before he got sick, he didn't really drive it all that much. He only had driven it a total of roughly 7000 miles between 2016 and now. The car pretty much lived in the garage.

So... I own a 2007 Mazda 6 now.

I will still keep my 1999 Saturn Sedan as a backup car- but the Mazda will become my daily driver.

A bit of a bittersweet blessing in disguise. Does anyone know if there are any good Mazda 6 forums that are similar to Saturnfans?

I'll still be here from time to time...

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I was tasked one day to have a new hire follow me around to introduce him to his work. As the day went, he described his mother with Alzheimer's and the daily care he and his father gave. She lost her ability to recognize anyone. It left a strong impression on me as a family relative began displaying similar symptoms. It was sudden but I fought it until I separated dementia from Alzheimer's. I always asked my mom "who am I? " and she would respond with my name and a smile. She identified her grown children but couldn't identify her grandchildren as each one appeared before her. My sister became her care giver until she passed away at home.

Inheriting your father's car is a gift in more ways than one. Hopefully you find a forum(s) that shares info as much as or more than Saturnfans does. And if it helps, keep his car keys hidden from him just in case he decides to go for a drive. Maybe all car keys.......

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I was tasked one day to have a new hire follow me around to introduce him to his work. As the day went, he described his mother with Alzheimer's and the daily care he and his father gave. She lost her ability to recognize anyone. It left a strong impression on me as a family relative began displaying similar symptoms. It was sudden but I fought it until I separated dementia from Alzheimer's. I always asked my mom "who am I? " and she would respond with my name and a smile. She identified her grown children but couldn't identify her grandchildren as each one appeared before her. My sister became her care giver until she passed away at home.

Inheriting your father's car is a gift in more ways than one. Hopefully you find a forum(s) that shares info as much as or more than Saturnfans does. And if it helps, keep his car keys hidden from him just in case he decides to go for a drive. Maybe all car keys.......
Oh, I have both sets of keys. Anything that was related to the Mazda is completely gone from his house now. My stepmother told me; that a few weeks ago- my father wanted me to have his car.

It's sad- he didn't recognize me, my sister, or my brother. He would say things like, "Oh, I have a son", or "Oh, I have a daughter"... but not be able to tell us, our names.

Such a nasty and debilitating disease- of which there is no cure for... As cliche as it sounds- our mother was taken in 2005 from a Brain Aneurysm; and now Dad is being taken via Dementia... The life choices that they were given as older adults- is just not fair.

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You have a manual trans in the Mazda and thats a good thing! Modern autos are too complicated and with age the repairs are unaffordable compared to older simpler 4 and 5 speed autos. Change all the fluids like your a maniac. The best coolant becomes acidic and attacks the engine after about 4 years. If you are not capable of changing fluids pay a trusted independent shop to do it. If its a timing belt engine REPLACE BELT ON TIME!! Make sure to operate clutch efficiently an correctly to avoid the expensive clutch and component repair! Enjoy your car.

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Good luck on your choice and I understand it but I along with many others here have decided to entrench for the long run.

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