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Old 11-20-2019, 05:58 PM   #1
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Dizzy 05 Ion 1, manual trans issues

This is for a friend that recently moved away, now in UT.

This is what she sent me, any idea's?

I am an S-series guy, multiple swaps, and about 150k miles in 3 of them, so I am not very familiar with the Ions.

05 ion1 5 speed

Well....
It started after I got here.
Driving along fine and all of a suddrn it won't go into gear. Any gear.
If I turn the car off and take the key out it will go into gear. If I wait 30 seconds or so, it will usually start up and be ok for a while again. Short stretches are ok. It is after 10 minuets of driving, speeds up to 50mph, that this usually happens.
Sometimes I have to wait longer because it won't start in first and idles heavy and jumps (like when you release the break in gear).

The water temp gage in the car is about 1/4 or 1/2 up... so it is running a little hot?
It really also doesn't like when I turn the AC on.. and a loud thumping comes from my glove box if the �� button for circulation isn't pressed on.
So there is a fan problem there..... don't think it is related. ��
My poor saturn.. she's an oldie. But a goodie.��

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Old 11-20-2019, 06:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: 05 Ion 1, manual trans issues

How many miles on the Ion? As you know, a manual is a manual whether its high hp muscle car or the family SW wagon 5-speed. The only hint may be when the engine's off, shifting can occur but when the engine's running, shifting is difficult. This may indicate a worn out clutch. Another possibility may be worn out hydraulics; clutch master and slave unit.

Coolant temps between 1/4 and 1/2 are within range and doesn't indicate overheating contributing to this shifting problem.

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Old 11-20-2019, 06:59 PM   #3
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How many miles on the Ion? As you know, a manual is a manual whether its high hp muscle car or the family SW wagon 5-speed. The only hint may be when the engine's off, shifting can occur but when the engine's running, shifting is difficult. This may indicate a worn out clutch. Another possibility may be worn out hydraulics; clutch master and slave unit.

Coolant temps between 1/4 and 1/2 are within range and doesn't indicate overheating contributing to this shifting problem.
I understand and typical manual trans, but could not think of anything that I know about to cause her issues.

I didn't know if there was something electrical that could have crapped out, like a synchro or something.

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Old 11-20-2019, 11:04 PM   #4
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How many miles on the Ion? As you know, a manual is a manual whether its high hp muscle car or the family SW wagon 5-speed. The only hint may be when the engine's off, shifting can occur but when the engine's running, shifting is difficult. This may indicate a worn out clutch. Another possibility may be worn out hydraulics; clutch master and slave unit.

Coolant temps between 1/4 and 1/2 are within range and doesn't indicate overheating contributing to this shifting problem.
Well what would stop it from being able to shift, then let is sit and cool down, then be able to shift again?

I have no clue what would cause that on any car?

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Old 11-21-2019, 11:10 PM   #5
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Default Re: 05 Ion 1, manual trans issues

She said it had a P0520 code, would an oil pressure issue cause her shifting issues?

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Old 11-22-2019, 02:45 AM   #6
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Default Re: 05 Ion 1, manual trans issues

Personally, I do not know if P0520 (oil pressure issue) would prevent the manual xmission from operating. My guess is no. You have options; bring the car to a dealer, repair shop or subscribe to alldata.diy or Mitchell for online service manuals to figure it out if Ion members here can't offer any ideas, suggestions or definite answers. Some problems cannot be diagnosed with little info given.

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Old 11-22-2019, 01:20 PM   #7
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Personally, I do not know if P0520 (oil pressure issue) would prevent the manual xmission from operating. My guess is no. You have options; bring the car to a dealer, repair shop or subscribe to alldata.diy or Mitchell for online service manuals to figure it out if Ion members here can't offer any ideas, suggestions or definite answers. Some problems cannot be diagnosed with little info given.
Of course, I am in SoCal and she and the car are in UT.

Not expecting a complete fix, but an idea or 2 of what to look at.

My guess is either multiple issues that happened to show up at once, or some wires are cut or shorted out.

She already took it in and they were just as confused.

So the area to start to look at would be the wiring for the oil pressure sender.

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Old 11-22-2019, 03:25 PM   #8
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She said it had a P0520 code, would an oil pressure issue cause her shifting issues?
No, oil pressure will not affect transmission operation. There are no electronic devices that would affect transmission operation.

I suspect bad clutch hydraulics or low transmission fluid level. That's really all it can be aside from a part inside the transmission being damaged.

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Of course, I am in SoCal and she and the car are in UT......She already took it in and they were just as confused.......
Unfortunately, this repair shop may be inexperienced. A one garage town can have either experienced or inexperienced people. A toss of a coin. If the car is driveable, perhaps trying another repair shop? A detailed description can help to determine if another shop is unable to sort out possible multiple problems. Good shops like challenges as it forces individuals to think beyond being a tire or gas pump jockey. The experts are out there. Maybe word of mouth referrals?

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Old 11-23-2019, 05:42 AM   #10
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Default Re: 05 Ion 1, manual trans issues

Clutch master cylinder is an extremely common issue with the ions. They last 40-50k if you're lucky.

Def a hydraulic issue. Its pointing to the clutch master just from skimming this post.

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Old 11-23-2019, 07:13 PM   #11
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Tell her to check her pedal itself. The crappy clutch pedal in the Ion wears out against the cmc rod and you slowly lose clutch disengagement which can cause the above mentioned symptoms

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Default Re: 05 Ion 1, manual trans issues

Thanks all, just seemed odd.

I sent her a link to this thread.

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