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Old 08-31-2006, 03:27 AM   #1
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Default U asked for it, polymer is the best, yep another polymer thread

Alright, another polymer thread. The reason why polymer is much better than steel. Polymer is more life-like, LOL. It feels like skin, that's why it is much better than steel. It's softer and doesn't get near as hot in the sun.

Haha, you asked for it. Now everybody must laugh at what I just said, LOL.

One of my friend's quotes, "A Saturn is like a car made from the stuff balloons are made from. They are a balloon car." - Now that was hilarious.

BTW, polymer will never die, cause the S-series will never die.

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Old 08-31-2006, 04:21 AM   #2
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Why do I have the sudden urge to repaint my silver SL2 "Flesh" ??? With Pinkish brown headlight trim...

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Old 08-31-2006, 08:07 AM   #3
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Polymer causes cancer.

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Old 08-31-2006, 09:12 PM   #4
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*drops dead from owning a polymer car*

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Old 08-31-2006, 11:23 PM   #5
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Default Re: U asked for it, polymer is the best, yep another polymer thread

There's a Juliana Hatfield song called 'What Do I Care' with lyrics that reminds me of Saturn except she should say "Made in Spring Hill"
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Made in China for the masses, I’m cheap and plastic. There’s millions of us. Yeah. You can buy me. You can break me. You can laugh but you’ll see it’s so easy.

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Old 09-01-2006, 06:20 AM   #6
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IMHO twenty years from now, maybe even less, if I am still alive; people are going to look at my 91 SC and be dumbfounded why this whole concept was dropped. I believe they will really wonder why it wasn't restyled and/or expanded into other models like the Accord and Camry. The current engine could have continued evolving, to work out little kinks, as well as developing bigger engine options to choose from. I could even see them having both polymer and steel cars, SUV's and even trucks side by side as choices. I still believe that someone is going to develope another plastic car. Will probably be the Japanese or Chinese and again draw more customers away.

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Old 09-01-2006, 08:27 AM   #7
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I still believe that someone is going to develope another plastic car. Will probably be the Japanese or Chinese and again draw more customers away.
Actually, Ford, BMW and even Daimler-Crysler are. In the case of Ford, a plastic bodied small SUV was shown recently as a multi-fuel, hybrid, and even possible future fuel cell vehicle. And get this...the polymer panels were made of a plastic derived from Soybeans, the color went all the way through (good scratch hiding along with no dents) and that used no petroleum products in the mix and used LESS ENERGY to produce as a finished product than similiar panels made of steel.

The death of primarily steel bodied cars IS coming. Energy costs are what will kill it.

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Old 09-01-2006, 08:45 AM   #8
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The death of primarily steel bodied cars IS coming. Energy costs are what will kill it.
If it can be done cheaper than steel, and without the use of expensive petrolium by-products, and without needing to re-engineer the srtucture of the car to a great extent, I can see it happening. Just remember, the greatest benefit would be the inability to rust, not so much the dent resistence. Don't expect Ford and BMW salesmen to be kicking the doors in of these new models. You don't see Cadillac salesmen kicking in the fenders of the new DTS, but they're largly plastic. I saw one in Detroit that had the rear quarter panel shattered, and it was clearly a type of plastic, not fiberglass.

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Old 09-01-2006, 09:23 AM   #9
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Give it a damn rest!

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Old 09-01-2006, 11:02 AM   #10
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Actually, Ford, BMW and even Daimler-Crysler are. In the case of Ford, a plastic bodied small SUV was shown recently as a multi-fuel, hybrid, and even possible future fuel cell vehicle. And get this...the polymer panels were made of a plastic derived from Soybeans, the color went all the way through (good scratch hiding along with no dents) and that used no petroleum products in the mix and used LESS ENERGY to produce as a finished product than similiar panels made of steel.

The death of primarily steel bodied cars IS coming. Energy costs are what will kill it.
Ford built a Soybean plastic-bodied car in 1941.
http://www.thehenryford.org/research...ar/default.asp

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Old 09-01-2006, 11:21 AM   #11
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Ford built a Soybean plastic-bodied car in 1941.
http://www.thehenryford.org/research...ar/default.asp
Someone started a thread about the car Henry Ford made out of Hemp, and ran on Hemp or something, but now I can't find it
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:22 AM   #12
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If it can be done cheaper than steel, and without the use of expensive petrolium by-products, and without needing to re-engineer the srtucture of the car to a great extent, I can see it happening.
You don't have to "re-engineer" anything when you design the structure from day one to use them, as with the S Series.

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Old 09-01-2006, 11:25 AM   #13
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If it can be done cheaper than steel, and without the use of expensive petrolium by-products, and without needing to re-engineer the srtucture of the car to a great extent, I can see it happening. Just remember, the greatest benefit would be the inability to rust, not so much the dent resistence. Don't expect Ford and BMW salesmen to be kicking the doors in of these new models. You don't see Cadillac salesmen kicking in the fenders of the new DTS, but they're largly plastic. I saw one in Detroit that had the rear quarter panel shattered, and it was clearly a type of plastic, not fiberglass.

You're always gonna have to re-engineer the frame of a plastic car, plastics don't do stress skin as well as metal and much of the "crumple zone" engineering of newer cars relies on the properties of metal crush rates whereas plastics crush at different rates and more uniformly, even with composite supported plastics, it's more of a "shatter and bend" rate than a crush rate.

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Old 09-01-2006, 11:26 AM   #14
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You don't have to "re-engineer" anything when you design the structure from day one to use them, as with the S Series.
Except that you have to do cars totally differently, and the spaceframe becomes quite heavy and expensive when the body panels don't serve as any sort of structure whatsoever. The only way plastic will come back is if it can be essentially swapped in where steel would otherwise go, and it's cheaper.

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I still believe that someone is going to develope another plastic car. Will probably be the Japanese or Chinese and again draw more customers away.
Good, let them. That's the only way GM will jump aboard and focus on bringing it back.

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Old 09-02-2006, 12:22 AM   #16
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Just keep repeating to yourself "carbon fiber", "carbon fiber"
What's good for racing cars will eventually become good for passenger cars.
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Old 09-02-2006, 12:29 AM   #17
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I dunno... I'd rather have steel.

One time someone told me Saturns are made out of Styrofoam

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Just keep repeating to yourself "carbon fiber", "carbon fiber"
What's good for racing cars will eventually become good for passenger cars.
Throw in some extruded aluminum too.
Just go buy a Z06. That's what it's made out of.

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Just go buy a Z06. That's what it's made out of.
The carbon fiber or the aluminum? or both?
The Ferrari Enzo that crashed in Malibu seemed to protect the driver pretty well.

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Except that you have to do cars totally differently, and the spaceframe becomes quite heavy and expensive when the body panels don't serve as any sort of structure whatsoever. The only way plastic will come back is if it can be essentially swapped in where steel would otherwise go, and it's cheaper.
Actually, if they *really* wanted to, there is no engineering reason why they couldn't maintain the space frame design and offer steel or aluminum or (pick a material) other type of body panels. They could even offer customers their choice of material. However, since this move was obviously to cut costs, I don't see anything of that sort in the cards.

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