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Old 01-31-2005, 03:48 PM   #1
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Default RL Camber???

Have been meaning to write about this and I saw a thread in the VUE forum today that some people who have had the suspension recall service notice their rear tires seem to sag inwards. One person stated that their rear tires looked "bow-legged." I've noticed that my RL has what seems like a lot of negative camber. Can you guys comment on your experiences? I'm worried that too much neg. camber will affect the wearing and life of my tires. Now I know this improves the handling, but heck, if it means I'm changing tires out more often, then I'd rather them not be so aggressively adjusted. Thanks.

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Old 01-31-2005, 06:09 PM   #2
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Default Re: RL Camber???

The rear tire camber on all Vues should be minus 0.5 degrees, +/- 0.75 degrees.
That would be about a 0.25 inch tip inward at the top of a 28 inch diameter tire.

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Old 02-01-2005, 12:09 AM   #3
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The rear tire camber on all Vues should be minus 0.5 degrees, +/- 0.75 degrees.
That would be about a 0.25 inch tip inward at the top of a 28 inch diameter tire.
Rear Camber should be -0.05 0.75. I think you missed a decimal place there good buddy. :P

Needless to say, it's pretty much straight up, or at least should be. If there's nothing in the back, then they should be pretty much perfectly vertical. I've always got about an extra hundred pounds of crap right over my rear axle (between subs, amp, box, tools, and other stuff under the cargo floor), so I've always thought I had just a touch of negative camber, but my tires don't seem to mind. If you can tell a difference visually, you might have an independent shop check it with their alignment tool (assuming they can check rear camber, which I would assume any laser-alignment rack can do). A lot of places will check it for you for free, as they are guessing if you're asking for the check, you'll probably pay for the alignment... Just get the specs printed out, take it back to your dealer, have them check it again, and compare. Heck get a 3rd opinion of they tell you that the other shop's machine is out of calibration.

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Old 02-01-2005, 02:27 AM   #4
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Rear Camber should be -0.05 0.75. I think you missed a decimal place there good buddy. :P
Nope. Look it up for an 05 in your favorite place. Specs for an RL are there too .

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Old 02-02-2005, 11:33 AM   #5
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Well I'll be damned! I looked up an 04 (which BTW didn't list RL seperately) and just copied it into my post, so they are actually different for 04 vs 05! I think maybe the 04 is for the OLD suspension parts, the 05 is for the new-and-improved Eek part, perhaps? Either way, there is definitely a difference.

for the 04:
Front: -0.60 0.40
Rear: -0.05 0.75

for the 05:
front is the same, rear is as you stated... wierd...

Incidentally, I looked up an 03 and it lists the same as 04, so this *strongly* suggests to me that the lateral link "upgrade" changes the spec value.

So, I guess we're both right, or wrong, depending on your point of vue.

Point is... Stevie, you have an 04 RL Vue, and you say you just got the upgraded rear lateral link installed, so then you should follow the 05 spec. I have not had the link replaced, so if I were getting an alignment check, I'd go with the 04 and earlier spec.


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Old 02-02-2005, 02:51 PM   #6
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I guess you guys kinda of led into my question. It looks as though my RL may have had the upgraded rear lateral link installed and so I guess my true question is that after the install do your RLs seem to have more (noticable) negative camber, and I'm guessing that perhaps mine has had the new lateral link installed. -0.5 is quite a bit of negative cmaber, as compared to -0.05. I'm gonna take it to my local tire guy and have him look at it. If it's off, then I'll go back to the dealer and see if I can have them give me info about what's been done to my RL, since mine was a "demo" with 1500 miles.

BTW, over the weekend, I went out in the rain and experimented with the AWD. Mine definitely has not had the new RDM installed. The AWD kicks in just as it should! I'm very happy.....

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Old 02-03-2005, 11:56 AM   #7
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Default Re: RL Camber???

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Well I'll be damned! I looked up an 04 (which BTW didn't list RL seperately) and just copied it into my post, so they are actually different for 04 vs 05! I think maybe the 04 is for the OLD suspension parts, the 05 is for the new-and-improved Eek part, perhaps? Either way, there is definitely a difference.

for the 04:
Front: -0.60 0.40
Rear: -0.05 0.75

for the 05:
front is the same, rear is as you stated... wierd...
Not sure where you're looking, but the specs have not changed as far as I know. I'm guessing the 0.05 is a typo. I was told that for '04 (prior to the '05s coming out) that the rear camber is -0.5. Really not sure about the tolerance on that though. Franlkly,if you're paying someone to do an alignment, they should get it spot-on to the nominals. Well, front caster is an exception. Camber can be adjusted if they slot the strut holes.

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Old 02-03-2005, 12:14 PM   #8
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Default Re: RL Camber???

Thinking more.....
A spec of -0.05 with a tolerance that big doesn't make sense. If you want most of the vehicles to be zero-ish, then make the spec zero, that's what I would have done. Figure there's some normal distribution about that spec and you have a lot of zero-ish camber settings, with most being from 0.5 to -0.5. With the spec of -0.5, that's saying basically that I don't want positive camber and having 0 to -1.0 is a decent range (looking at most of the spec, figuring there are a few outliers on each side).

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Old 02-04-2005, 10:03 AM   #9
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We were looking at the same database as the techs at any GM dealer would be looking, and the spec changed from 02-04 to 05. Incidentally, the Chevy Eek (05) has the same spec as the 05 Vue (-0.5 0.75). Since they share the same suspension parts, AFAIK, then it makes sense for them to have the same spec. I doubt that something used as frequently as an alignment spec would be a typo that isn't corrected for 3 years. The 04 and older is -0.05 0.75; after the Vues started getting the new Rear Lateral Link, they changed it to -0.5 0.75, apparently. Why they gave such a small angle on the 04 and older, I don't know, seems kinda goofy, I agree. If you want it that close to zero negative or positive camber, why not just put zero? Can the alignment machines even read down to a hundredth of a degree? Either way, that's what the book says, and that's what the dealership would align to if you took yours in for an alignment job.

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Old 02-05-2005, 12:31 AM   #10
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Very Strange. I'll have to check with a dealer to see what they tell me. I'd be willing to bet a paycheck that it's a typo though. Hmmm...I wonder what the service manual says. It should have the specs. Now to find one.....

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Default Re: RL Camber???

They're just trying to tilt the wheels in so they don't dig into the pavement on those j-hook maneuvers....

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Very Strange. I'll have to check with a dealer to see what they tell me. I'd be willing to bet a paycheck that it's a typo though. Hmmm...I wonder what the service manual says. It should have the specs. Now to find one.....
The info that Dante and I posted IS from the service manual - the electronic version. cad_man has a hard copy of it.

That's not the only typo in the service manual though.

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