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Old 10-29-2019, 04:21 PM   #1
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Default Would this be enough to keep the engine stable while replacing crossmember/subframe?

Using the 1 ton crane from HF. How much does the engine weigh? less than 1000lb right?
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Old 10-29-2019, 04:25 PM   #2
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Aren't the legs of the crane under the car? Right where you need to be to perform the task?

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Old 10-29-2019, 04:42 PM   #3
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Yeah, but we got it up plenty high. We're using larger 6 ton jack stands

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Old 10-29-2019, 04:52 PM   #4
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I've done several of these frame swaps. It really seems like the way you're trying to do it it'll be in your way.

Use some 2x4s if you don't want to buy the support bar

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Old 10-29-2019, 05:11 PM   #5
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Yea, way more than enough. However use your HarborFreight coupon for the support fixture. It straddles the upper frame (top of the fenders) and supports the engine.

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Old 10-29-2019, 06:58 PM   #6
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I've done several of these frame swaps. It really seems like the way you're trying to do it it'll be in your way.

Use some 2x4s if you don't want to buy the support bar

https://www.harborfreight.com/1000-l...bar-96524.html
I didn't even know about the support bar. I plan on returning this thing anyway. It's missing the castors, and the support beams on the side seem messed up, oh and also missing the lock washers. Plus it's not long enough anyway. can't remove or do a engine swap with this/ As for it getting in the way two of us will be doing it.

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Old 10-29-2019, 08:11 PM   #7
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A 2x4 and some rope would set you back about $5. Plus you could use them for something else after.

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Old 10-30-2019, 09:46 AM   #8
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A 2x4 and some rope would set you back about $5. Plus you could use them for something else after.
Yeah that was the first place, which I should have stuck with, until I found this thing.However the problem I ran into when trying to get the new subframe up was the middle nuts. Since the car is up in the front with larger 6 ton stands, I'm thinking the engine and everything is tilted making it impossible for everything to line up. Getting 2 more 6 ton stands and putting the whole car up should even everything out. This job is a pain in the rear.

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Old 10-30-2019, 10:13 AM   #9
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A 2x4 isn't stable enough. Need the 3.75" vertically for strength but then it flops over at the slightest touch. I only had pine 2x4's, the 1.75" vertically left the board far too floppy/droopy...even a pine 4x4 should be perfect.

Engine is around 220lbs (+/- 10lbs), trans is around 75lbs...well under 1/4 ton total weight.

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Old 10-30-2019, 12:28 PM   #10
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A 2x4 isn't stable enough. Need the 3.75" vertically for strength but then it flops over at the slightest touch. I only had pine 2x4's, the 1.75" vertically left the board far too floppy/droopy...even a pine 4x4 should be perfect.

Engine is around 220lbs (+/- 10lbs), trans is around 75lbs...well under 1/4 ton total weight.
What about my theory on bolts from the tranny not lining up to the subframe? Engine/tranny hanging out of place since not level?

We have 4x4 but so far it's hanging from the crane, as well as some wood and jack stand under the car while it sits until fFriday.

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Old 10-30-2019, 12:36 PM   #11
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What if you just removed the couple of other connectors and just pulled the whole engine out, lined up your frame, then dropped it back in? If you have a crane it should be simple

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Old 10-30-2019, 12:55 PM   #12
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If the top engine mount is in and it's just the transmission mount not lining up...that's a PITA to line up normally. Manhandle the engine/transmission around until it fits. You'll have to loosen the mount on the cradle so it has some wiggle to it.

Going with SC2Sicks's idea, there might be enough slack in the coolant hoses to just drop the engine onto the cradle/ground without undoing anything; once bolted to the cradle you can lift the entire assembly into place. I've not tried it that way, there could be other hang-ups like the transmission cables or something else.

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What about my theory on bolts from the tranny not lining up to the subframe? Engine/tranny hanging out of place since not level?

We have 4x4 but so far it's hanging from the crane, as well as some wood and jack stand under the car while it sits until fFriday.
I believe you are over thinking this. You will be able to muscle things around and get everything to line up.

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Old 10-30-2019, 01:38 PM   #14
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I believe you are over thinking this. You will be able to muscle things around and get everything to line up.
Yeah we'll give it another shot on Friday or Saturday. Hopefully I don't mess up my arm any more. Pulled a muscle or something, but not while doing this.

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I used the Harbor Freight support bar when I did mine a few months ago, it worked well. I pulled the fenders back though because I didn't want to chance the weight cracking them.
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Old 10-31-2019, 12:38 PM   #16
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I used the Harbor Freight support bar when I did mine a few months ago, it worked well. I pulled the fenders back though because I didn't want to chance the weight cracking them.
Yeah, if I knew it existed I would have done this as well.

What do you think is a quick way to paint to protect it from future rust? It is 99% rust free now.

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I oil the driver's side of mine when I do an oil change. The filter oils the passenger side.

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It doesn't get better than POR15 followed by something to protect the POR15 from UV (anything in a rattle can).

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I used Rust Bullet on my new one. It's a rust inhibitor like POR15, but its also UV resistant. It seems to be holding up well so far
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Anything that I can spray on without the need to stand?

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