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Old 06-25-2019, 11:18 AM   #1
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1997 SL, 197,000 miles, 5-speed

Just did a head gasket/timing chain/water pump/etc repair this spring.

After only 300 miles, the coolant is yucky yellow oily foam AGAIN. 10 psi pressure in cooling system leaked down to 2 psi overnight.

Oil level dropped 1/2 qt. in 300 miles. Yup, it's in the coolant AGAIN.

Spark plugs are clean.

SO: what now.

Sell as-is? What is it worth as-is? The southern rust-free body might be useful up north. Lots of good parts.
Pull head again? What could the problem be, if not leaking head gasket? I thought I fixed it last time. I can't bear doing this again and failing.
Do the blocks on these cars crack? I have never overheated it (in its 22 years).

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Old 06-25-2019, 11:41 AM   #2
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Default Re: This might be the end- need some advice

I dunno.

You could wait for the 16th of July - and the full moon - and sacrifice a goat......


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Old 06-25-2019, 12:13 PM   #3
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Default Re: This might be the end- need some advice

Blocks do not crack. The symptom of oil in the water is a symptom of a cracked head or a head gasket leak into the water at the right rear corner. If it is a gasket then you will also see oil on the mounting bracket above the alternator. If you have power steering it is a bit difficult to see the bracket and the leak point will be right in that right rear corner area. Tok there first.

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Old 06-25-2019, 03:39 PM   #4
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Default Re: This might be the end- need some advice

I think highmiler reported a year ago that FelPro had divided their head gasket line into 'OEM' and 'replacement' ... and that the latter were less good.

I dunno if they sell the OEM line to aftermarketers, but i've noticed that the prices vary substantially.

I've installed probably a dozen or two head gaskets (none Saturn yet),
and noticed that in the later stages of torquing, that one or two screws were much looser (all-ready compressed) than the rest (requiring much less turning). So, I began to Wait, minimum of a couple hours after later stages, and oft overnight (even a week) before final turn.

Most of my head-gasket-torquing involved diesel rabbit, which had chronic issues concerning:
(1) compression leaks out from cylinders
(2) oil leaks, from block galleries to head galleries -- at the point where the vertical riser crosses the block/head boundary (presumably sealed by head gasket) , which had a ribbed elastomer seal incorporated into the head gasket.

Both the head/block mating surfaces need be flat, or slightly cupped - maybe have MACHINIST check. I used a 'straight edge' for 15 years, which , it turned out, was slightly cupped itself!

I think i read on a hotrod Honda forum a couple years ago, that They use a Honda OEM sealant on the sealer for the oil between head/block (at the ribbed rubber insert.

If sealant matters, cleanliness will matter (like acetone/carbon-tet scrub)
Also note that quality 'speed shops'/rebuilders will Mill both mating surfaces, like just a smidge (like .001/.002") SPECIFICALLY to make the surfaces Real Clean, to promote good gasked adhesive bonding...

A couple years ago i picked up a (Satty) head from a rebuilder....
It AMAZED me how delicately he removed less than .002" , just cleaning....
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If the car's body is really sound, you really ought to get your moneys worth out of the ride (and 200kMI is not there yet!)

>> On the other hand, if you lost the taste for it, do something else.
Maybe a running junkyard engine with 150kMi from car-part would allow needed SPACE / time, etc.

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Old 06-25-2019, 06:30 PM   #5
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Default Re: This might be the end- need some advice

Unless I'm missing something, did you replace the cylinder head when you did all that work the first time? Cylinder heads are a known failure here and there on the sohc engine. When you put a new head on any of the sohc engines you had better be replacing the camshaft as well, if you don't, you will find out why a little ways down the road.

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Old 06-26-2019, 03:53 PM   #6
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Default Re: This might be the end- need some advice

I didn't replace the head- the machinist checked for cracks and pressure tested. Also he said it was flat.

I cleaned the block and head with acetone. Scrubbed the head with a Scotch Brite pad. Cleaned with acetone.

What is the "bring a trailer" value for this car? 1997 SL.

I'd be happy driving this thing for 10 more years. But I don't want to fix it again and have it fail

On the other hand, another head gasket fix would be cheaper than the first (no timing set or water pump or T stat etc. needed). Nor valve job.

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Your head is probably good, check for oil in the place I indicated in my post above. Your problem is not that uncommon either and usually fixable without taking the head off.

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Old 06-27-2019, 11:49 AM   #8
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Hmmm if the gasket is leaking (oil into water), how can you fix it without taking off the head? I will check the "back" of the engine as you say.

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The oil gallery to the head and the water passage are very close in that corner. That is usually where the oil finds the water if the cam journal is not cracked..

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