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Old 09-11-2011, 03:28 AM   #1
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Default 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

So I have a 99 sc1, I bought the car knowing the horn didn’t work, today I figured id experiment and find out what was wrong, I first noticed there wasn’t a fuse, at first I was like “hurray”, but when I put the fuse in the horn wouldn’t stop, I did a little research so I know there’s only a relay in the horn itself, where should I start first? Where there any common problems? I want to avoid tearing the steering wheel apart cause of the airbag, thanks in advanced

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Old 09-11-2011, 08:33 AM   #2
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Start and finish with this modification. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZTPU8G5iM8

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Old 09-11-2011, 10:34 AM   #3
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Default Re: 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

lets get together cruzer we can both work on these beauties im just up the road in st kitts and yah i can hear your stuck horn blowing from here

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Old 09-12-2011, 05:13 AM   #4
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Default Re: 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

Well I fixed it, not sure if anyone has seen this before but when I took the headlight out and then unbolted the horn I noticed 2 black wires going into 1 that was connected to the horn so I figured I’d take my chances and cut them apart, 1 wire was always grounded (used light tester) and the other only grounded when I pushed the horn button, so simple enough I just taped off that grounded wire and called it a day, hahaha, but while I had it out, I upgraded it to a dual trumpet air horn, boy is it loud!

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Old 09-12-2011, 05:23 AM   #5
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lets get together cruzer we can both work on these beauties im just up the road in st kitts and yah i can hear your stuck horn blowing from here
ya man for sure

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Old 09-12-2011, 05:37 AM   #6
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Default Re: 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

[QUOTE=OldNuc;1790886]Start and finish with this modification.QUOTE]

That’s way too complicated, and it wasnt even my setup

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Old 09-12-2011, 06:24 AM   #7
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If you don't do it then the best you can hope for is a smoke free burnout of the clock-spring & horn buttons. I'd carry a fire extinguisher though.

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Old 09-12-2011, 08:11 AM   #8
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+1^^^^What he said.

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Old 09-12-2011, 06:53 PM   #9
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Default Re: 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

If you had replaced the horn with another three-wire horn with a built-in relay, you could have avoided the suggested mod. But moving to an aftermarket horn like what you've installed requires the mod. Yes, electrically, it will, for a while, work as is. But, to fully explain what the others above have suggested, without the mod, you're running the FULL CURRENT of the horn (or, in your present case, hornS) through the steering column wiring, specifically the clockspring, which isn't built to take it. There's also wiring to the air bag in there. Eventually the wiring will burn out. Either the horn will fail by itself, or everything on the wheel (horn, air bag, cruise) will fail, or the air bag will jiffy-pop. Options: (1) revert to the stock wiring and find a '96-'99 three-wire horn, or (2) do the mod as admonished above.

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Old 09-13-2011, 03:37 PM   #10
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Default Re: 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

the kit came with an external relay, i wont have problems

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Old 09-13-2011, 04:06 PM   #11
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That external relay draws too much coil current for the horn buttons, will just take longer to failure.

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Old 09-14-2011, 03:52 AM   #12
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That external relay draws too much coil current for the horn buttons, will just take longer to failure.
right............. ill take my chances

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Old 09-14-2011, 10:59 AM   #13
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Default Re: 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

I hope you are alone on the road if the airbag goes off.
I would take this seriously and do the correct modification, I have done it on two of my Saturns.
In fact, I used the original horn, after I peeled off the electronic relay that is the problem ( it's prone to water infiltration and corrodes).

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That external relay draws too much coil current for the horn buttons, will just take longer to failure.
My daughter's 2000 SC2 has the horn stick on intermittently in cold weather.
I assumed it to be the horn switch in the steering column. Based on this string and assuming the car has the integrated relay (haven't looked yet), I'm thinking the relay may have moisture in it, the cold weather freezes the moisture, the ice expands and something makes contact that isn't suppose to. To that end, rather that assume the switch is bad, maybe it's the horn relay.

That being said, I need some help with Old Nuc's comment here. If he uses an external relay, whether the one Rich Pin used or a fog lamp-type relay, how is the horn switch used to trip the relay coil drawing too much current? That coil likely draws less than 0.1 amps of ground through the horn switch. The relay carries the current. What am I missing?

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The gen-3 has the gen-1 horn system with an external relay located in the UHJB. GM/Saturn was by the introduction of the Gen-3 cars just buying a new harness for the dead horse so they neglected the arc suppression diode in the circuit. Install a new relay and a diode across the horn hot terminal to ground.

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The OPs external relay has a 88 ohm relay coil. That coil draws 0.16A through a switch designed for 25mA or so at most.

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Buddy of mine restores and sells train horns. It's tempting, they ain't cheap, but they'll sure get a dawdler at a stop light moving in a hurry..

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Default Re: 99 sc1 horn allways blowing

I left all the factory horn wiring in tact and added a 40A relay on the ground side of the horn itself. The coil on that new relay is wired to the ignition switch so the horn only works when the key is on. When the key is off, the horn does not have a ground so it cannot sound in the middle of the night. (And they all rejoiced!!)

In addition, I wired a small toggle switch in the ground side of the new relay's coil. Should the horn stick on while the car is running, I flip the switch, which disables the newly installed ground relay and the horn shuts off. The car can be driven home quietly for repair. In effect, this is similar to pulling the horn fuse accept I'm disabling from the ground side of the horn without having to exit the car to turn off the horn.

Hope it helps somebody whose just looking to have the factory horn work as it should without the risk of it going off by itself in the middle of the night.

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