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Old 10-12-2009, 09:28 PM   #1
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Default 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

I have a 1992 Saturn SL2 DOHC with 275,000 miles. It still has its original clutch, last inspected about 75K miles ago when the clutch hydraulics were replaced. I don't remember if factory or aftermarket parts, new or remanufactured, were used then.

I think the hydraulic master/slave cylinders assembly needs to be replaced again. Until very recently, my clutch pedal has felt mushy, but builds up pressure when pumped. If the pedal is held depressed for more than a few seconds, the clutch gradually engages. After several hundred miles of this, one day it felt completely normal, but shortly thereafter, became completely unusable (even with pumping, could not cause clutch to disengage). I limped it home by stalling it at stop lights, then starting in first gear.

I understand that the master and slave cylinders for this vehicle are typically available as a single unit, pre-filled and bled.

CSK wants $180 for a Wagner CM140979 (also as a Wagner F140979). Advance Auto Parts has a Perfection PF9000 for $130. SaturnParts.com lists a clutch master cylinder for $153 (I'd like to avoid them. I previously had trouble getting parts that were different than those shown in their illustrations, and they weren't helpful with remedying the situation.)

Rock Auto offers:
  • $97 - RHINO PAC Part # PS0425; Base; Includes Master Cylinder, Line & Slave Cylinder; O.E. Kit May Be 8-1/4"
  • $106 - DORMAN Part # CC649000 {First Stop #21120268, 21120474}
  • $114 - PERFECTION CLUTCH Part # PF9000 Optional Pre-Filled Assembly - Includes Master, Slave and Lines
  • $140 - WAGNER Part # CM140979 {Clutch Mstr/Slave Assy.} CM 16mm Dia. Bore; SC 25mm Dia. Bore * Non-stock item--shipping delayed up to 3 business days

NAPA has a clutch master cylinder for $65.

How should I decide what to buy? As a satisfied customer, I'm inclined to do more business with Rock Auto. The detail page for least expensive one they offer, from Rhino, says that "This fully bled system includes a master cylinder and slave cylinder". I'm guessing they all are similar.

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Old 10-12-2009, 11:24 PM   #2
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Default Re: 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

This is more opinion than anything else but I hope it helps.

I replaced my clutch, flywheel, and hydraulics 30k miles ago. I used a perfection hydraulic assembly and haven't had any issues with it.

I would recommend either the perfection kit (personal experience), or the Dorman, which according to Rock Auto comes with a life time warranty.

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Old 10-12-2009, 11:41 PM   #3
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O E M. I have a set of used OEM ones that I'm selling.

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Old 10-13-2009, 12:27 AM   #4
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Default Re: 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

I replaced mine with a unit from Napa, their clutch brand is Perfection.

The Napa part actually has the PF9000 part# on it.

I've had no issues with it at all, and fits like OEM. I will honestly probably buy the perfection clutch kit from Napa too and give that a try. It's definitely the least expensive place to get a clutch locally near me, and so far my experience with Perfection is just fine.

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Old 10-13-2009, 08:34 AM   #5
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Default Re: 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

I installed a replacement hydraulics purchased from the local Saturn dealer (couldn't wait for mail order). No problem since, its been about 3 years or so.

For typical street/daily driver use it becomes a matter of that make you most comfortable.

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Old 10-13-2009, 08:48 AM   #6
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Default Re: 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

I've had the hydraulics from getsaturnparts in my '93 for just over a year now. With 2 transmissions. Engages a tad low for my taste but works fine. Strangely, the last time I had used the current transmission it required a bit of effort to get into gear, now it doesn't. Very odd.

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Old 10-13-2009, 10:59 AM   #7
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Default Re: 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

Should I expect these to vary much from one manufacturer to another? Even from one parts store, prices vary by 30%.

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Old 10-15-2009, 08:49 PM   #8
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Default Re: 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

Saturnfans forums nor Haynes manual has instructions for this repair. Is this repair as easy as it seems? (I am replacing my master/slave cylinder assembly too.)

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Old 10-15-2009, 10:17 PM   #9
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Saturnfans forums nor Haynes manual has instructions for this repair. Is this repair as easy as it seems? (I am replacing my master/slave cylinder assembly too.)
It's pretty easy... the only thing you wont be able to see is the fact that the master cyl in the firewall twists like 45 degrees to remove.... Other than that, just follow the lines and remove. It's nice to have the new unit on hand so you can see what it will look like before you attempt the removal. It took me like 45 mins having never done it before, and that includes disassembly, etc..

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Old 10-15-2009, 11:19 PM   #10
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Default Re: 1992 SL2: Which clutch hydraulics to purchase? Rhino, Dorman, Perfection, Wagner?

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Saturnfans forums nor Haynes manual has instructions for this repair.
How to replace (for a 1995 SL-series; I have the factory service manual and didn't compare line-by-line, but this sounds like the same procedure):
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60471

How to diagnose:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94634

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