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Old 11-11-2019, 01:24 PM   #1
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I went to get my jack out of my SW2 for use as an aid in repairing my mother in-law's outside staircase and noticed that my never used Space-Saver Spare had exploded at some time in the last year-ish. Exposed steel wires and ripped open tread. This is a moderately rusty rim as the wheel well does get moist inside and I found it with about a half inch of water in it when I first purchased the car. I am open for suggestions as to the best and easiest way to replace the thing.

Q: Does a full size spare fit in the well? (If it does then why did they put in a space-saver spare? money???)

Thanks in advance for all the good advice.
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Stop by.

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Btw - is the exhaust heat shield in front or the side of the well intact?
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I went to get my jack out of my SW2 for use as an aid in repairing my mother in-law's outside staircase and noticed that my never used Space-Saver Spare had exploded at some time in the last year-ish. Exposed steel wires and ripped open tread. This is a moderately rusty rim as the wheel well does get moist inside and I found it with about a half inch of water in it when I first purchased the car. I am open for suggestions as to the best and easiest way to replace the thing.
Weird, mine was burst too.... it was also very well used, so I assumed it happened during use. I never asked my brother-in-law about it.

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Q: Does a full size spare fit in the well? (If it does then why did they put in a space-saver spare? money???)
I pulled a 14" fullsize wheel from a salvage yard car and it almost fits flat.... close enough for me. I don't have the carpet or board in the truck anymore, Though.
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Old 11-11-2019, 02:28 PM   #4
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Both my Saturns blew their spare in the trunk. Both got new tires. See this thread:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60735

On the last page I posted this link:
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Any junkyard or onlinebiker tire is likely to be past its freshness date.
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Old 11-11-2019, 03:30 PM   #5
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Here is one of my blowouts.
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Oh wow! That's bad!
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Okay, since the compact spare should only be put on the back anyway and I have little drum brakes on the rear, I am going to see if I can find a 13 or 14 in thin steel rim and put a sorta tall thin (ordinary) tire on it and see if I can come up with a wheel/tire combination that fits in the well. Back in the day (late 1970’s) the common tire sizes were thin tall sneakers the likes of 155/78R-13. I think VW beetles were running 155/78R-15 which is a tall skinny setup which I haven’t seen recently until I saw BMW’s contemporary electric compact car.

Thought: Maybe there is a dressing like Armor All that retards the deterioration of the ‘rubber’ and keeps your compact spare from drying out. ...and a time machine to go back and apply it.

Thought: the Ion’s Compact spare should also fit so that means a wider window of opportunity for finding an unused used one..
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:14 AM   #8
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A 175/70R14 fits about perfect in place of the temp spare. Dropping to 65 from 70 would probably let it fit perfect; either one would last longer in-use then the temp spare.

I believe with the right offset (and inner wheel shape) even 13" wheels fit over the front calipers, some auto-x guys would run those tiny wheels & tires for better acceleration and less weight IIRC.
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There are 13 inch wheels out there that fit, not sure which ones though. Would having 1 wheel be 2 inches smaller than the rest be safe? I've driven on the spare a few times and that already feels kinda weird.
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Old 11-12-2019, 03:32 PM   #10
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There are 13 inch wheels out there that fit, not sure which ones though. Would having 1 wheel be 2 inches smaller than the rest be safe? I've driven on the spare a few times and that already feels kinda weird.
a smaller wheel with a taller thinner tire is just a possible cheap and readily available from the store shelf option once I figure out what's possible. It is still just for temporary use and on the rear axle only where it won't put unnecessary strain on the transaxle and for safety and handling reasons - the outer circumference is the critical measurement so a tire as close in height to the other 3 is desired. Wrapping a tape measure around the tire will give you a good and pretty accurate measure of the circumference and this measure does vary greatly between tires of the same size from different manufacturers. (I know this first hand after putting two new tires on my wife's Pacifica and had to buy two more right away or mess up the 4WD system)

I remember that my 1979 Honda civic sported 12 inch rims. (155/75R-12's I believe)
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:40 AM   #11
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Default Re: Blowout!!!

My kid just got a flat in his '99 sc2 tire, and we just found out that the spare must have blown up over the summer.

I like the idea of using a 175/65r14 tire. Will that fit on the compact spare rim, or will I need to get another rim?
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:04 PM   #12
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My plan is to go to a Town Fair Tire and find an ordinary but smaller size 14in tire that fits in the well first and then see if it fits on my skinny 'donut' rim.

That's step 1 of my plan.
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I've changed both my tires by hand using motorcycle tools. Those space saver rims are pretty narrow. Not sure a real tire would work. I'd probably go with an SL 14" rim instead.

With that said, I'm happy to have new space saver tires in the trunk. If I ever rebuild the coupe, I might cut out the tire well and weld in one from a Buick Century.
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I tried fitting a 175/70/14 tire with about 2/32 tread left in the wheel well, but it really didn't fit. I've replaced the compact spare tire once, and I'll go with the Tire Rack option that Waiex went with next time around. I've only had 1 flat in 26+ years owning my car, so getting another flat is not a real worry of mine. Try using 303 protectant on your tires to help them last longer.
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As far as I know, my space had been used 3 times by me and twice by my father in the last 19 years. I wonder how much life it has left in it, lol.
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Epilogue:
Being the cheapskate that I am, I have been scanning craigslist, ebay and Letgo all this time. Finally found a solution in my price range/comfort zone. The tire is slightly smaller and the seller couldn’t tell me the donor car’s make, model or age but I went for it. I just picked the donut up tonight on my way home from work and as a so-far-so-good bonus the lug hole distance matches my SW2. If the rim somehow doesn’t fit I will have to pay to have the tire mounted to my factory rim. I did buy a can of Super Tech Fix-a-Flat and a fresh tire plugging kit a few weeks ago as an emergency backup.

Craigslist ad....
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Most other options I could find were up in the $50.00 and up range or just geographically too far to make sense.
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Are spare tires "blowing up" mainly a cold weather state problem? I have never experienced that problem myself.
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I thought it was mainly a heat and age problem. That is why I didn't go with a cheap used donut.
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We have not experienced a spare blowout on any of our vehicles - but have bought a few that were already blown. I noted the blowouts were always on the front facing section of tire - leading me to believe it is exhaust pipe heat related.
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Hey Dummo!
Thanks for the LETGO.com option. Had never heard of it and yet I see it is very active in my area.
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