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Old 05-21-2012, 06:19 PM   #1
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So my steering wheel started making a clicking sound on Thursday when turning and was almost as if something was binding and getting stuck in it. Last night I go and reverse out of my friends driveway and there's a loud noise and from the steering wheel, and i lose all steering. The steering wheel turns freely around and around, tires do nothing, and there is no more power going to the steering wheel as well (horn doesn't work, cruise light doesn't come on) what can the issue be?

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Old 05-21-2012, 06:58 PM   #2
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Default Re: Something in the steering snapped, steering wheel turns around and around, tires

Look underneath...does the shaft going from the steering wheel through the firewall turn? If so then you have an issue down at the rack. If not then it is under the dash or the wheel itself.

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Old 05-21-2012, 07:00 PM   #3
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So my steering wheel started making a clicking sound on Thursday when turning and was almost as if something was binding and getting stuck in it. Last night I go and reverse out of my friends driveway and there's a loud noise and from the steering wheel, and i lose all steering. The steering wheel turns freely around and around, tires do nothing, and there is no more power going to the steering wheel as well (horn doesn't work, cruise light doesn't come on) what can the issue be?
First test I'd try is to turn steering wheel while watching the steering shaft (goes thru floor near brake pedal). If the shaft turns when you turn wheel the intermediate shaft could have broken or came loose underneath.

If the shaft does not turn when you rotate steering wheel .... OMG!!!

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First test I'd try is to turn steering wheel while watching the steering shaft (goes thru floor near brake pedal). If the shaft turns when you turn wheel the intermediate shaft could have broken or came loose underneath.

If the shaft does not turn when you rotate steering wheel .... OMG!!!
Do I have to put it up on a hoist to do this? Or can I observe it from within the car or under the hood? Also just judging by what I feel, its almost as if there is no connection between the steering wheel and whatever its connected too.

If the shaft does not turn, is it a huge issue? I just thank my lucky stars it didn't happen to me on the highway while driving to my friends place I'm very freaked out even thinking about it.

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Old 05-21-2012, 08:52 PM   #5
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If steering wheel turns freely - no need to elevate the little bugger for this simple test ... turn the wheel and see if the inside shaft turns.

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Old 05-21-2012, 09:44 PM   #6
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You'll see the shaft and boot as it goes through the firewall just beyond the brake pedal.

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Old 05-21-2012, 09:48 PM   #7
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Couldn't the coupling came loose under the dash?

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Couldn't the coupling came loose under the dash?
I wish we knew more ... this could be the most serious problem I've heard of with Vue's of any model year.

There was a service bulletin to adjust the intermediate shaft pinch bolt for a few Vue's ... I was thinking if the bolt came loose the steering shaft could separate from steering gear (see thumbnail).

The OP mentioned clicking and binding a few days before failure - some good clues there - I'll be parking mine until I hear more.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:46 AM   #9
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Something sounds off (to me)... if it's simply a disconnection at the rack, why would all electronics in the steering wheel stop responding?

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Old 05-22-2012, 09:03 AM   #10
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Just checked, the drive shaft going through the firewall does rotate while turning the steering wheel. I'm having my mechanic look at it this morning and will get back to everyone.

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Old 05-22-2012, 09:26 AM   #11
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This is one of the most bizarre mechanical failures that I have ever heard of. OP, I'm glad that this didn't happen while you were driving at speed. I hope that you get the Vue back up and running soon.

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Something sounds off (to me)... if it's simply a disconnection at the rack, why would all electronics in the steering wheel stop responding?
It appears the steering wheel mechanism has no mechanical internal stops - it depends on the steering gear to reach end-to-end for steering limits.

There's also a clock-spring to carry signals for air bag horn, cruise and radio through the column for operator use and protection.

I suspect if the steering wheel is not limited in number of turns the coiled wiring in the clock-spring will be sheared by brute force.

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Just checked, the drive shaft going through the firewall does rotate while turning the steering wheel. I'm having my mechanic look at it this morning and will get back to everyone.
In a way - thats good news.

Perhaps the pinch bolt failed. I've attached a service bulletin to give you an idea of fix - IF THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

Sounds like you'll also need to replace the steering column coil (clock-spring).
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It appears the steering wheel mechanism has no mechanical internal stops - it depends on the steering gear to reach end-to-end for steering limits.

There's also a clock-spring to carry signals for air bag horn, cruise and radio through the column for operator use and protection.

I suspect if the steering wheel is not limited in number of turns the coiled wiring in the clock-spring will be sheared by brute force.
That makes sense. Is this an intensive job for a DIY project? I've thought about taking the steering wheel in my '04 apart to repaint the gray trim around it. It appears previous owner(s) must've held the wheel frequently on the top sides, wearing off the paint. Why GM couldn't just use black plastic for these and the dash trim pieces...

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That makes sense. Is this an intensive job for a DIY project? I've thought about taking the steering wheel in my '04 apart to repaint the gray trim around it. It appears previous owner(s) must've held the wheel frequently on the top sides, wearing off the paint. Why GM couldn't just use black plastic for these and the dash trim pieces...
Removing the steering wheel probably wouldn't be a big deal. See post # 2 of following thread for a few files to get you started.

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho....php?t=133371#

I recall one or two owners changing the SIR coil for various reasons. I've attached an extract for 03 Vue replacement to give you an idea.

Let me know if you'd like extracts for your specific model year.

I'm thinking SIR coils are configured differently by year groups based on number of wires required at steering wheel: 02-03, 04-05 and 06-07.
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Mechanic called me, looks like its the steering rack that completely failed. Ordered one in will be ready tomorrow.

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The steering wheel turns freely around and around, tires do nothing, and there is no more power going to the steering wheel as well (horn doesn't work, cruise light doesn't come on) what can the issue be?
In addition to the diagnosed rack you are likely going to need a new clock spring and perhaps a fuse or two. If you spun the wheel past the normal limits of where it would normally turn you have likely damaged the clockspring.

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In addition to the diagnosed rack you are likely going to need a new clock spring and perhaps a fuse or two. If you spun the wheel past the normal limits of where it would normally turn you have likely damaged the clockspring.
Coilspring will be replaced (my mechanic didn't replace it) what fuses would be replaced or would I need electrical wiring? he has changed the steering rack and of course no power to the horn, airbag or cruise control...

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Coilspring will be replaced (my mechanic didn't replace it) what fuses would be replaced or would I need electrical wiring? he has changed the steering rack and of course no power to the horn, airbag or cruise control...
I'd most definitely remove the 10A Air Bag fuse from the IP fuse/relay box since you're not sure how many internal coil wires were mangled - and possibly shorted - when steering wheel was over-rotated.

I doubt if horn or cruise fuses are blown - but you could check, and the damaged wiring will be internal to coil/clockspring.

You might recheck posts 12, 13 and 15 since I'd previously posted info pertaining to replacing coil/clockspring.

Please tell us if the failure was internal to the steering rack or linkage leading to the rack.

Did the mechanic install a new rack?

I don't know if you're in U.S. or Canada but if U.S. please visit the NHTSA website to report the failure (Canada probably has an equivalent).

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something similar just happend to my 2005 vue
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