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Old 03-16-2005, 03:54 PM   #1
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Default Vehicle speed sensor.

I am trying to get my cruise to work in my 96 sl and am having problems. I have tried several pcm's and I am getting a service wrench light when I start to drive and am thinking that is why the cruise won't work. I am not getting it on one of the pcm's but all of the other ones. Will the speed sensor trip the service wrench light or will it trip the service engine light?

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Old 03-18-2005, 01:03 AM   #2
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Old 03-18-2005, 09:36 AM   #3
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Default Re: Vehicle speed sensor.

swapping pcms can cause problems because of configuration differences, the pcm has one set of options programmed and the car has something else.. why dont you put the original pcm back in the car and take it to the dealer so they can put the tech2 scanner to it? might save a lot of hair pulling on your part. if the pcm needs to be programmed for cruise, and it probably does, they can do that too.

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Old 03-18-2005, 10:08 AM   #4
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The Orginal PCM does not get the service light. I swapped pcms from a donor car that is identical to mine (ENGINE YEAR ETC) except cruise. The Dealer wants $100.00 to program my pcm to add the cruise programming.

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Old 03-18-2005, 10:14 AM   #5
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So you originally had cruise control? Or did you put it in there? If you had it originally, I don't think the problem is your PCM, probably not your VSS either.
Ever think that maybe your cruise control module is bad? It is under the steering column and connects to the acclerator cable. Check if the connector cable is loose. Or take it to the dealer and have them test it. I don't really know how to test it to see if it's functioning. My cruise control doesn't work and I believe the culprit is the module.

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Old 03-18-2005, 10:17 AM   #6
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It DID NOT have cruise and I added it. I have tried 4 differn't modules on the car. All the connectors seem fine.

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Old 03-18-2005, 10:18 AM   #7
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The reason I was wondering about the speed sensor is that the light will not come on untill I hit about 3mph.

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Old 03-18-2005, 10:30 AM   #8
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there is a way to test it...see what the resistance is on the connector, I can't remember the values, I'd have to look in the FSM or haynes manual.

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Old 03-18-2005, 11:18 AM   #9
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The Orginal PCM does not get the service light. I swapped pcms from a donor car that is identical to mine (ENGINE YEAR ETC) except cruise. The Dealer wants $100.00 to program my pcm to add the cruise programming.
Sounds like you have your answer already.

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Old 03-18-2005, 11:48 AM   #10
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Default Re: Vehicle speed sensor.

the PCM will need to be programmed for your options, even the slightest thing like what state the car was orignally sold in can affect the parameters, thats why you can't expect just any PCM to work. but sometimes you do get lucky, sorry to say you didn't.

don't assume your VSS is bad, if it was bad, you would have major driviblty problems

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Old 03-18-2005, 01:31 PM   #11
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Is the vehicle stick or auto.

If the vehicle is stick, make sure the sensor on the clutch is making contact. On our '95SL1 that we had (back in the day), the clutch wouldn't make contact unless you pushed it up with your foot (Sensor was out a little bit). This could cause your cruise to not work.

Just from personal experience...

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Old 03-18-2005, 01:49 PM   #12
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you know that just might be the problem with mine...hmmm

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Old 03-18-2005, 03:04 PM   #13
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I use a brick for cruise...

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Old 03-19-2005, 12:22 AM   #14
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Is the vehicle stick or auto.

If the vehicle is stick, make sure the sensor on the clutch is making contact. On our '95SL1 that we had (back in the day), the clutch wouldn't make contact unless you pushed it up with your foot (Sensor was out a little bit). This could cause your cruise to not work.

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96's have no clutch switch. The computer senses the engine rpm's

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Old 03-19-2005, 10:23 AM   #15
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96's have no clutch switch.
That is absolutely false.

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That is absolutely false.
They have the starter kill switch and that is all. If you can show me where else there is a switch feel free to but all the ones I looked at don't have them and the repair manuals for 96's don't have any information about a clutch switch for the cruise

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They have the starter kill switch and that is all. If you can show me where else there is a switch feel free to but all the ones I looked at don't have them and the repair manuals for 96's don't have any information about a clutch switch for the cruise
The 96 model has a Clutch Start Switch mounted behind the clutch pedal. You can feel and hear it engage when you depress the clutch pedal, and the switch is covered in the Electrical Service Manual book in the 3-volume binders that make up the 1996 FSM.

BTW, I never said it was tied into the cruise control. Just trying to clarify that the 96 model DOES have a clutch switch.

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The 96 model has a Clutch Start Switch mounted behind the clutch pedal. You can feel and hear it engage when you depress the clutch pedal, and the switch is covered in the Electrical Service Manual book in the 3-volume binders that make up the 1996 FSM.
Like I said in the other posts I know about the clutch start switch (OR THE STARTER KILL SWITCH) but it has nothing to do with the cruise when the clutch it out and you are driving.

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Sorry I didnt see the I never said it tied into the cruise.

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Like I said in the other posts I know about the clutch start switch (OR THE STARTER KILL SWITCH) but it has nothing to do with the cruise when the clutch it out and you are driving.
You also know that the PCM needs to be reprogrammed. Have you tried that yet?

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