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Does this price make any sense?
Saturn wagon being sold as-is, no warranty.
According to dealer policy, price is firm, non-negotiable. https://www.sovereignauto.com/vehicl...02b4edbccb37db |
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02-01-2021, 12:31 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
Makes no sense to me!
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Bryan Cotton '99 SL2, 5SP bought new Rebuilt at 204,067 September 2017 Engine, subframe, diff pin mod, brake lines, headliner, alternator, and so on! '98 SC2, 5SP bought 2018 |
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02-01-2021, 05:49 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
It probably makes sense to the sleazebag dealer.
If it was closer I would go look at it and nitpick it down to a couple hundred.... 
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Currently owned 93 SC2 96 SC2 97 SL2 98 SL2 99 SC2 01 SC2 auto 01 SC2 5 sp 02 SC2 02 SL2 auto 02 SL2 5 sp parts 2 94 SC2 parted out 2 96 SC2 98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine. 98 SL2 |
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02-01-2021, 05:54 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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Currently owned 93 SC2 96 SC2 97 SL2 98 SL2 99 SC2 01 SC2 auto 01 SC2 5 sp 02 SC2 02 SL2 auto 02 SL2 5 sp parts 2 94 SC2 parted out 2 96 SC2 98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine. 98 SL2 |
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02-01-2021, 07:15 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
Offer him the auction value and tell him to keep you in mind before he puts it on the block.
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02-05-2021, 09:46 AM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
The lack of corrosion under the hood means that this vehicle was not originally from Flushing, Michigan. A few pictures of the underside would confirm this.
The green grass means that these pictures were not taken yesterday.
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Competition Clutch 10Lb. Flywheel. 14 stalls to date (and loving it). Oil use is 1 ounce per 100 miles with ~230,000 miles on the engine |
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02-05-2021, 11:45 AM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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I have a couple out back that look great under the hood that are comletely undriveable due rust underneath. Only way to know, is to look...
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Currently owned 93 SC2 96 SC2 97 SL2 98 SL2 99 SC2 01 SC2 auto 01 SC2 5 sp 02 SC2 02 SL2 auto 02 SL2 5 sp parts 2 94 SC2 parted out 2 96 SC2 98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine. 98 SL2 |
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02-05-2021, 01:22 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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It would be a good idea to look at the front control bar where it’s hidden under the rubber mounts. Use a scribe to dig under the rubber. You could bring a giant breaker bar with a 15mm 6-point impact socket and try to turn the bolts that secure the control bar’s mounting brackets 
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Competition Clutch 10Lb. Flywheel. 14 stalls to date (and loving it). Oil use is 1 ounce per 100 miles with ~230,000 miles on the engine |
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02-07-2021, 01:44 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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https://youtu.be/tFfTludf0SU
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Competition Clutch 10Lb. Flywheel. 14 stalls to date (and loving it). Oil use is 1 ounce per 100 miles with ~230,000 miles on the engine |
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02-07-2021, 03:48 PM
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Location: Oregon
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
Value is what ever a willing buyer and willing seller agree on. KBB would suggest a high of $4430, but if it really is rust free, everything works, engine is sound, no codes, I don't see any reason you couldn't pay what they are asking. It's low mileage too. I set everything in KBB to Lansing, the mileage, and the options I could see from the pics...so that KBB high price from a dealer is close to what you'd expect to pay anyway.
You could send them $300 to hold it, and ask for several pics of the undercarriage. Even the tail pipe's chrome piece seems free of rust in their picture from the summer so it may have been from out of state or kept in a garage during the winter. Ask if people have test driven it in the salt lately though. I'd bet the NADA book value is pretty close to that $4999. (National Automotive DEALERS Association explains why it would be higher than KBB). If you want it BUY IT. Don't worry about price as much as what your personal car preferences are. Just sayin'. And HEY IT HAS A CASSETTE PLAYER!
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2003 Saturn L200 DOHC, 2.2L Luxury Transport 66,000 miles Jan. '21 2001 Saturn SL1 SOHC, 1.9L Basic Transport 78,000 miles Jan. '21 Last edited by Jim@HiTek; 02-07-2021 at 04:00 PM. |
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02-07-2021, 04:38 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
KBB and NADA judge by the standards of other cars...
Saturn people in my experience are different. For instance - would YOU pay extra for an automatic transmission? Not me baby......
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Currently owned 93 SC2 96 SC2 97 SL2 98 SL2 99 SC2 01 SC2 auto 01 SC2 5 sp 02 SC2 02 SL2 auto 02 SL2 5 sp parts 2 94 SC2 parted out 2 96 SC2 98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine. 98 SL2 |
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02-07-2021, 05:49 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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02-07-2021, 05:57 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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Currently owned 93 SC2 96 SC2 97 SL2 98 SL2 99 SC2 01 SC2 auto 01 SC2 5 sp 02 SC2 02 SL2 auto 02 SL2 5 sp parts 2 94 SC2 parted out 2 96 SC2 98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine. 98 SL2 |
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02-07-2021, 07:36 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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Bryan Cotton '99 SL2, 5SP bought new Rebuilt at 204,067 September 2017 Engine, subframe, diff pin mod, brake lines, headliner, alternator, and so on! '98 SC2, 5SP bought 2018 |
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02-07-2021, 09:39 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
5 speed is far more reliable too.
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Currently owned 93 SC2 96 SC2 97 SL2 98 SL2 99 SC2 01 SC2 auto 01 SC2 5 sp 02 SC2 02 SL2 auto 02 SL2 5 sp parts 2 94 SC2 parted out 2 96 SC2 98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine. 98 SL2 |
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02-09-2021, 10:29 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
It's nice looking.
You have to see the rear rocker panel tops, and a good long look at the underside to assess the structural integrity. The parts are beginning to be challenging to find. |
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02-09-2021, 10:36 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
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I've never had to replace an AT. But I've had to replace several clutches and throw out bearings. And helped friends or relations do it too. Hate that job. Those few times I owned stick ALWAYS ended up having to replace the clutch plate. On ATs rarely had to do anything to them. Probably related to the fact that I've driven them with care. Seldom ever used an AT as a race car. Drove clutch that way too.
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2003 Saturn L200 DOHC, 2.2L Luxury Transport 66,000 miles Jan. '21 2001 Saturn SL1 SOHC, 1.9L Basic Transport 78,000 miles Jan. '21 |
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02-10-2021, 02:33 AM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
I have not been nice to my 5 speeds. I run them hard more than occasionally. No problems.
I have had one clutch be problematic - due to a leaking rear main seal. I would never run an AT hard - as I have seen the results of doing so. I even bought back the engine of one SL2 in a car I had sold the neighbor kid. He pounded the crap out of it and the AT did not survive. (By admission).
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Currently owned 93 SC2 96 SC2 97 SL2 98 SL2 99 SC2 01 SC2 auto 01 SC2 5 sp 02 SC2 02 SL2 auto 02 SL2 5 sp parts 2 94 SC2 parted out 2 96 SC2 98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine. 98 SL2 |
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02-22-2021, 11:36 PM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
Well, somebody bought it!
https://www.sovereignauto.com/vehicl...02b4edbccb37db Wish I knew what they paid... |
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03-02-2021, 11:54 AM
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Re: Does this price make any sense?
Here they go again!
https://www.sovereignauto.com/vehicl...9a2b2b6bd55f1b |
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