How do you get someone to change your Timing belt?

[AJEsquire]

Originally Posted by txsaturn

First off, none of us need to read any other threads because we actually know what we're talking about. Something you're obviously lacking.

Second, the person you told off is one of the people you were using as a reference above. See:



Will I get banned from this forum if I call you a moron?

The timing belt influences engine timing ONLY. Has zero to do with shift timing. I wish you'd actually try to think things through before arguing.

Maybe you will get banned for not being able to read...i will say it again. I told you I.....KNOW......NOTHING....ABOUT...TIMING....BELTS ........so the fact you say you know what you are talking about and I don't? I think I covered that in previous posts.....so maybe you need to reconsider your insults. So since I know nothing about Timing Belts...maybe YOU should think things through before jumping on someone who is trying to figure out as much as they can about Timing belts?
One more time.....for everyone.......I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TIMING BELTS....I ONLY KNOW WHAT I READ ON HERE. So arguing against what I said? Does not help since again....I don't know anything.....how about giving explanations instead of attacking and stating how wrong the statements are? Maybe if people were not attacking the statements that I took from another page then I would have caught that he specified his statement from the other page.

I may have to retract my previous praise of this page.....

[pyroom]

Okay, okay... Lets start over.

The timing belt effects how the engine runs, and has zero effect on the transmission. If it breaks, it was cause expensive damage the the engine. If it were to stretch, slip a tooth, tensioner failed, basically any effects the timing by a tiny amount the engine will run like crap (if it runs at all) and you would for sure get a check engine light (and yes it is possible for your belt to stretch from fatigue, I was saying it's not nearly as common as with timing chains). If you're worried about the timing belt going, have a mechanic inspect it for cracks - it only takes a few minutes. If you want piece of mind, far2grumpy probably has a detailed service manual extract he could send you, and you could do it yourself. Where I live (in Canada) my timing belt sees -50, and had zero cracks after 120,000 miles and 8 years, so I'm assuming the 100,000 mile interval is fairly conservative. Part of Ford's used vehicle inspection includes inspecting the timing belt, so I wouldn't be overly concerned.

If you're having an issue with your transmission shifting, it has nothing to do with the timing belt. You're right about the fluid change, that will fix 90% of automatic transmission problems on any car. Try that, and if that doesn't fix it post a video or something on here. Honda Vue's have an very low failure rate for transmissions, but they do have issues with "gear hunting".

Lastly, the warranty will probably cover you if the belt fails on you (since they inspected it and told you it was good), but they're most likely not going to replace the belt as prevention. If you're having an issue with the transmission, I would ask Ford what should be done before you do the fluid change (if you want want the warranty to cover any issues). If they say to do a fluid change, make sure to keep the receipts to prove you did it. They will look for any way out of paying that they can, and even keeping the receipts is not a guarantee.

I hope this somewhat clears things up... Good luck!

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timing_belt explains it a little more in depth if you're interested.

[AJEsquire]

Originally Posted by pyroom

Okay, okay... Lets start over.

The timing belt effects how the engine runs, and has zero effect on the transmission. If it breaks, it was cause expensive damage the the engine. If it were to stretch, slip a tooth, tensioner failed, basically any effects the timing by a tiny amount the engine will run like crap (if it runs at all) and you would for sure get a check engine light (and yes it is possible for your belt to stretch from fatigue, I was saying it's not nearly as common as with timing chains). If you're worried about the timing belt going, have a mechanic inspect it for cracks - it only takes a few minutes. If you want piece of mind, far2grumpy probably has a detailed service manual extract he could send you, and you could do it yourself. Where I live (in Canada) my timing belt sees -50, and had zero cracks after 120,000 miles and 8 years, so I'm assuming the 100,000 mile interval is fairly conservative. Part of Ford's used vehicle inspection includes inspecting the timing belt, so I wouldn't be overly concerned.

If you're having an issue with your transmission shifting, it has nothing to do with the timing belt. You're right about the fluid change, that will fix 90% of automatic transmission problems on any car. Try that, and if that doesn't fix it post a video or something on here. Honda Vue's have an very low failure rate for transmissions, but they do have issues with "gear hunting".

Lastly, the warranty will probably cover you if the belt fails on you (since they inspected it and told you it was good), but they're most likely not going to replace the belt as prevention. If you're having an issue with the transmission, I would ask Ford what should be done before you do the fluid change (if you want want the warranty to cover any issues). If they say to do a fluid change, make sure to keep the receipts to prove you did it. They will look for any way out of paying that they can, and even keeping the receipts is not a guarantee.

I hope this somewhat clears things up... Good luck!

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timing_belt explains it a little more in depth if you're interested.

Yup...that sums it up! All of that has been done....except the tran fluid change. So I will work on that after my next paycheck...thanx.

[Vue in Ontario]

If you've got 113,000 miles on yours and no one has ever done a timing belt replacement and a valve adjustment I would do that ASAP.

I would go to the dealer directly and tell them the manual says the belt should be done every 100,000. I would ask them how they could warranty a vehicle that's just beyond that if they know it hasn't been done yet. Ask them if the belt breaks and destroys the engine, will they cover repair cost 100%.

If they say "yes", get that in writing. However I suspect you will not get a "yes" answer, you will get a, "well we'll have to take a look and determine if the cause was........." answer.

[AJEsquire]

Originally Posted by Vue in Ontario

If you've got 113,000 miles on yours and no one has ever done a timing belt replacement and a valve adjustment I would do that ASAP.

I would go to the dealer directly and tell them the manual says the belt should be done every 100,000. I would ask them how they could warranty a vehicle that's just beyond that if they know it hasn't been done yet. Ask them if the belt breaks and destroys the engine, will they cover repair cost 100%.

If they say "yes", get that in writing. However I suspect you will not get a "yes" answer, you will get a, "well we'll have to take a look and determine if the cause was........." answer.

That's how I am presenting it to them cheaper to change now, then to change after the damage has been done ;-) because they cover normal wear and tear failer AND just failure, so I should be good either way on the belt

[badpewterz]

im going to go with "no" they wont cover as it is a MAINTENCE item just like an oil change. if you never change your oil they will not warrenty the engine so if the belt breaks due to the maintence not being done before hand then the will not pay the claim. same goes for brakes, clutch, ect.
wear items are not covered. Ive been in the industry for over 15years and that is exactly what they will tell you. ive seen people try and complain espically with the oil change ones lol. youd be surprised how many people dont read the book and if someone(salesman usally is the excuse doesnt tell them it needed to be done they play mickey the dunce. this is on brand new cars also not even the extended warrantys which usally are more strict.

[AJEsquire]

Originally Posted by badpewterz

im going to go with "no" they wont cover as it is a MAINTENCE item just like an oil change. if you never change your oil they will not warrenty the engine so if the belt breaks due to the maintence not being done before hand then the will not pay the claim. same goes for brakes, clutch, ect.
wear items are not covered. Ive been in the industry for over 15years and that is exactly what they will tell you. ive seen people try and complain espically with the oil change ones lol. youd be surprised how many people dont read the book and if someone(salesman usally is the excuse doesnt tell them it needed to be done they play mickey the dunce. this is on brand new cars also not even the extended warrantys which usally are more strict.

I appreciated everyone's opinion about what my warranty may or may not cover....however....
wear is covered on my warranty....maybe people should have asked what was the name of my warranty instead of assuming they knew what it covered ;-) Granted...regular wear is not covered for everything...but it is on the parts I am concerned about. My warranty is not an extended one...it is especially for used cars of a certain caliber. The warranty industry has changed and is a lot more versatile than it used to be. Yes, there are a lot of scams out there and I appreciate your input but any discussion about the warranty in this thread will be to no avail. This is a Ford, Lincoln exclusive warranty for used cars that they sell...I am responsible for anything AFTER I bought it and normal wear that was the result of previous owners I am not responsible for INCLUDING regular maintenance. I bought it at 113k...and the belt should have been changed...if it wasn't and it breaks? They will cover it.....they would rather take the chance it will last the next 24k then to change it just to make sure it doesn't break.

[Vue in Ontario]

Originally Posted by AJEsquire

I appreciated everyone's opinion about what my warranty may or may not cover....however....
wear is covered on my warranty....maybe people should have asked what was the name of my warranty instead of assuming they knew what it covered ;-) Granted...regular wear is not covered for everything...but it is on the parts I am concerned about. My warranty is not an extended one...it is especially for used cars of a certain caliber. The warranty industry has changed and is a lot more versatile than it used to be. Yes, there are a lot of scams out there and I appreciate your input but any discussion about the warranty in this thread will be to no avail. This is a Ford, Lincoln exclusive warranty for used cars that they sell...I am responsible for anything AFTER I bought it and normal wear that was the result of previous owners I am not responsible for INCLUDING regular maintenance. I bought it at 113k...and the belt should have been changed...if it wasn't and it breaks? They will cover it.....they would rather take the chance it will last the next 24k then to change it just to make sure it doesn't break.

I believe most people here are like me are question you, only to help you. We wouldn't want you to get a huge surprise if something went wrong.

Here is a link to what I believe is your Ford warranty coverage......

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...o_warranty.pdf

Here is point #7 in the link......

7. Care of vehicle. Your vehicle must be properly operated and maintained in accordance with the maintenance schedule in the service
guide, which is part of the owner’s guide, for the vehicle. Proof of maintenance may be required in the event a question arises as to
whether a malfunction is caused by a defect in factory-supplied materials or workmanship or lack of proper maintenance.
It is your responsibility to make sure that all of the scheduled maintenance is performed and that the materials used meet Ford
engineering specifications. Failure to perform scheduled maintenance as specified in the service guide will invalidate warranty
coverage on parts affected by the lack of maintenance. Make sure that receipts for completed maintenance work are retained with the
vehicle and confirmation of maintenance work is always entered in your scheduled maintenance guide.

I think you are going to be in for a hell of a battle if your timing belt lets go and destroys the motor. Point number 7 says you must preform all scheduled maintenance for warranty to be valid.

[AJEsquire]

Originally Posted by Vue in Ontario

I believe most people here are like me are question you, only to help you. We wouldn't want you to get a huge surprise if something went wrong.

Here is a link to what I believe is your Ford warranty coverage......

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...o_warranty.pdf

Here is point #7 in the link......

7. Care of vehicle. Your vehicle must be properly operated and maintained in accordance with the maintenance schedule in the service
guide, which is part of the owner’s guide, for the vehicle. Proof of maintenance may be required in the event a question arises as to
whether a malfunction is caused by a defect in factory-supplied materials or workmanship or lack of proper maintenance.
It is your responsibility to make sure that all of the scheduled maintenance is performed and that the materials used meet Ford
engineering specifications. Failure to perform scheduled maintenance as specified in the service guide will invalidate warranty
coverage on parts affected by the lack of maintenance. Make sure that receipts for completed maintenance work are retained with the
vehicle and confirmation of maintenance work is always entered in your scheduled maintenance guide.

I think you are going to be in for a hell of a battle if your timing belt lets go and destroys the motor. Point number 7 says you must preform all scheduled maintenance for warranty to be valid.

I appreciate you trying to help, but again, this is not a thread on warranties, nor is the one you mentioned the one I have. I understand my warranty very well (as one person on this thread stated "As an attorney.....") So I have read the fine print etc and fully understand what it covers. Please, if we could just move on from the warranty issue...in the words of some of my clients "I got this" ;-).

[RedGeminiPA]

Originally Posted by AJEsquire

"...this is not a thread on warranties..."

Actually, it is...

"I bought a warranty on my used RL which will cover the timing belt...but since you supposedly cannot tell when it is wearing out....how do you get the shop to change it under the warranty because you know they are going to say that it doesn't need changing (I mean who wants to do that for free?) and use a lame excuse of how it doesn't look worn.... "

You're asking for advice on scamming the warranty company... which is illegal, by the way, Mr. Attorney, who delivers newspapers as a form of income. Contract fraud. Fraud by deception of the warranty contract.

Let's be a little more honest here. You're really a paralegal, which is not the same as being an attorney. You don't have to impress anyone on this forum. There are people here of various employment/income categories, which we could care less how important they may or may not be. You'd be surprised how much some people here make, and they still drive a little old Saturn. Passion for a vehicle comes from all shapes, sizes and income levels.

[txsaturn]

Sounds like a Ford ESP type warranty, which all explicitly state an exclusion of "Scheduled Maintenance Services". Further, let's call a spade a spade here. Third-party service contracts (whether contracted by Ford or a non-manufacturer) are profit centers. If they covered expensive maintenance items like a timing belt, the certainly wouldn't be offered on such high mileage vehicles.

If you want to shut us up or really want some help, just scan in a redacted copy of your service contract and we can go from there. Until then, not sure what you're actually expecting.

FWIW, he is an attorney (it's easy to find out).

[Vue in Ontario]

Originally Posted by AJEsquire

I appreciate you trying to help, but again, this is not a thread on warranties, nor is the one you mentioned the one I have. I understand my warranty very well (as one person on this thread stated "As an attorney.....") So I have read the fine print etc and fully understand what it covers. Please, if we could just move on from the warranty issue...in the words of some of my clients "I got this" ;-).

interesting that you say this is not a thread on warranties but in your previous post you say.....

I appreciated everyone's opinion about what my warranty may or may not cover....however....
wear is covered on my warranty....maybe people should have asked what was the name of my warranty instead of assuming they knew what it covered ;-) Granted...regular wear is not covered for everything...but it is on the parts I am concerned about. My warranty is not an extended one...it is especially for used cars of a certain caliber. The warranty industry has changed and is a lot more versatile than it used to be. Yes, there are a lot of scams out there and I appreciate your input but any discussion about the warranty in this thread will be to no avail. This is a Ford, Lincoln exclusive warranty for used cars that they sell...I am responsible for anything AFTER I bought it and normal wear that was the result of previous owners I am not responsible for INCLUDING regular maintenance. I bought it at 113k...and the belt should have been changed...if it wasn't and it breaks? They will cover it.....they would rather take the chance it will last the next 24k then to change it just to make sure it doesn't break.

..... so you say this is not a thread about warranties, but you apparently want people to ask questions about your warranty?

Sorry if I find that confusing.


Forgive me if I find it hard to believe you have a warranty that says you have to do absolutely no preventative maintenance and they will cover any repairs.

Please post the name and details of this amazing warranty, a warranty like that could make my next used car purchase be from a Ford dealer.

[VUEmaniac]

Originally Posted by RedGeminiPA

Let's be a little more honest here. You're really a paralegal, which is not the same as being an attorney. You don't have to impress anyone on this forum. There are people here of various employment/income categories, which we could care less how important they may or may not be. You'd be surprised how much some people here make, and they still drive a little old Saturn. Passion for a vehicle comes from all shapes, sizes and income levels.

You mean there aren't legions of lawyers buying 7 year old Saturns on the used market? I'm crushed....crushed I say!

[AJEsquire]

Thanx for allll the input, but again, I'm good, I thought about responding but all that will do is spawn more useless responses. For those who gave brilliant imput, thank you!

[Vue in Ontario]

Originally Posted by AJEsquire

Thanx for allll the input, but again, I'm good, I thought about responding but all that will do is spawn more useless responses. For those who gave brilliant imput, thank you!

So your not going to help everyone else by telling us the name of this amazing warranty program that Ford has but apparently doesn't advertise?

Got to tell you, I'm very disappointed, would really like to read about this warranty more.