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Old 08-22-2019, 04:39 PM   #1
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My brakes have gone out again. And i traced the leakage to the driver side rear wheel. Figured my problem was the wheel cylinder and so once i confirmed it, i went and got a wagner wheel cylinder.

Ive already replaced the wheel cylinder 2 times before. Well this time the new cylinder failed almost immediately, the seal underneath the dust boot popped out of place and was squirting fluid worse than the one i was trying to replace.

So what brand of wheel cylinder should i go with so i can ensure i dont have yet ANOTHER failure of my brakes due to inferior made wheel cylinders? Ive tried carquest, and i think the last ones were AC delco.

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Old 08-22-2019, 05:11 PM   #2
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[This was previously some pointless words about wheel bearings.]


Edit - OOps you mean the wheel Brake cylinder, not the HUB. Well, I went with Wagner too, and have nothing but good results around 3000 miles now.

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Old 08-22-2019, 05:40 PM   #3
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I went with Raybestos and haven't had any issues.

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Old 08-22-2019, 06:04 PM   #4
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Correction #2 for me:

I double checked and mine were actually AC Delco, not Wagner.

https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-18E12...gateway&sr=8-1

They did seem pretty substantial and beefy to me, and again, I've had good results.

If your latest one's were in fact Delco too, sorry to hear they've failed on you.

The repair I did was the 1st time I've dealt with drums, so I wish I could be more helpful in suggesting if something other than manufacture might be causing them to fail prematurely.

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Old 08-22-2019, 06:43 PM   #5
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Can you post a picture of what that "popped out" seal looks like? And also a picture of the installed brake shoes/levers/etc. I sounds like you have something assembled incorrectly there.

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Old 08-22-2019, 07:22 PM   #6
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I'm with billr on this one. I get the cheapest ones money can buy.

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Old 08-22-2019, 10:39 PM   #7
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Ill get a pic tomorrow when the lights out and you can actually see the components. I guess i can try getting another one and seeing if i have better luck. If that fails too then next ill get a OEM wheel cylinder if i can find one.

I think the one that im replacing now was an AC delco. I have just not had good history with these. My orginal ones went out about maybe a year and a half ago or so, and then one side ended up having a bleeder screw break off. Now this, another cylinder failure followed by the new part also failing. Maybe next time the brakes fail itll be when i really need them and then im screwed for sure.

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Old 08-23-2019, 07:45 PM   #8
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Its all back together right now. Used another wagner wheel cylinder and I needed a set of rear pads too because the old ones were getting low and contaminated from brake fluid. The spring set was relatively new so i used the old stuff. The car stops just fine again, seems like it stops a bit better as well.

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Old 08-23-2019, 10:53 PM   #9
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Just a guess but when a worn drum is reused, unless the inside lip is ground down or machined on a brake lathe, manually adjusting brake shoes won't be correct because you have to leave shoes retracted enough to fit a worn drum with lip over shoes. If the inside lip is ground or machined away, this allows shoes to be adjusted farther away from home position for less shoe travel when the brake pedal is pressed. If a lip is large enough, it's possible for the brake wheel cylinder to move both positions far enough to pop them out of the cast iron housing. You'd have to understand hydraulics and the physical dimensions of brake piston travel as well as brake shoe travel.

Under normal conditions, a new drum, new shoes are adjusted until the drum slides over both shoes. The fixed position of shoes keeps that half of shoes in place to allow shoes to pivot from the brake pistons forcing the shoes outwards against the drum. The smallest distance, star wheel preadjustment, is supposed to leave a slight drag between drum and brake shoes. A worn drum with a lip won't allow adjusting shoes for the same tight fit unless the lip is ground or machined.

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I bought Wagner wheel cylinders from my FLAPS and they didn't fit.

I then got new (not reman) Centric wheel cylinders and they fit perfectly.

The Wagners looked like they were made by someone who had only fuzzy pictures to work off of. The Centrics looked like exact copies of OEM.

Both were made in China.

This was maybe 6 months ago, and so far the Centrics work fine.

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