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Old 05-08-2018, 02:13 PM   #81
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If needed I can photograph this when assembled.

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Old 05-08-2018, 09:38 PM   #82
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OldNuc, I'd be glad for the pictures if it's not a hassle. The videos showed the opposite problem that I had - seat locked and not sliding.

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Old 05-08-2018, 11:00 PM   #83
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This thing is a major under taking to get to function when the seat is not bolted down. Will get pics with it all assembled in AM.

If the main track is not attached to the frame it will never work though

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Old 05-09-2018, 12:01 AM   #84
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Looking at your image below, at the top left is where the control cable attaches to the seat back position lever. hold the cable and operate the back release lever and move the back to the more leaned back position, does the cable move? This is what controls the main track latch by manipulating the lock mechanism. The seat track will not latch when the back is all the way forward once the latch the other end of the cable is attached to is tripped. Your mechanism is in the tripped position and that is why it will not latch. It can not operate properly with that mechanism removed from the seat frame. It does not look broke. This thing does not function correctly once removed from the car most of the time either.

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Old 05-09-2018, 07:28 AM   #85
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The cable seems like it works fine. What disengages the little locking pawl with the spring? I assume not the cable. If I understand the mechanism, the cable is a parallel path to the normal release lever under the seat. When the lever is used, it does not move the part the cable attached to due to the curved slot. When the seatback is folded forward, the linkage hits the end of the slot and it releases the seat. At he same time the locking pawl locks it released.

There is a scar on the release pawl. It seems like there used to be a little bump on the locking pawl which would hit the square-ish piece of steel alongside the track. If there was a bump on the pawl I would think this would release it when it slid backwards.

I may not be seeing the whole thing.

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Old 05-09-2018, 12:38 PM   #86
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I finally figured out your problem. The latch lock is missing the little part that contacts that slightly mangled part of the actual seat slide. It is designed in 1 direction it will ride over the latch tab and in the other release the lock by contact. As long as the seat back is in the full lean forward the slides remain unlocked and driven forward by the spring. The reason for the ability to bypass the latch tab in 1 direction is ther is more travel forward past the point where this trips and if the back is raised back up it will all jam up without this slide over function. Easy fix is to go harvest a new lower slide assembly from a passenger seat. Pictures showing the latch about to be released by the unmangled tab. The seat is bottom side up in these pictures.

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Old 05-09-2018, 07:43 PM   #87
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Thank you for the pictures. For now I have removed the locking pawl. If I get ambitious, I'll weld some material​ back on and rebuild it. The junkyard fix is probably more sensible.
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Old 05-12-2018, 07:56 PM   #88
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Here is my old and new ground cable. Whoever designed the routing so that you have to unbolt the fuse box to replace it - 10 demerits.


New tranny fluid going in while Adam pulls the old starter.


While replacing the starter, noticed the shift cable seal is not installed. Whoever worked on this car should probably stick to their main hobby, which was probably killing small animals.


On this Saturn I slotted the washer rather than destroy the plastic of the dipstick.


Fog light bulbs replaced, fog lights work now.


Matthew sanded and polished the headlights and foglights.


My new $39 (delivered) DB Electric starter is awesome.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:39 PM   #89
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Just for comparison, here is what the headlights used to look like. The picture does not do it justice. It was really bad before.

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Old 05-13-2018, 01:25 PM   #90
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Just a small hint here. If you leave the fog lights on and then turn off the key and the lights but leave the fog light selector button selected it places a rather significant parasitic load on the battery. Be sure to de-select fog lights when you are finished with them.

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Old 05-13-2018, 03:12 PM   #91
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Interesting. I did notice they only come on when the lights are on, but I assume you mean it pulls the relay in. I have a 2006 Dodge Ram truck-a-saurus with fog lights. I've owned it since 2007. I used them for the first time last year. They are great in fog and snow. Now that I have discovered them, I only use them when I need them.

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It energizes the logic for the relay and that draws enough to kill a weak battery. Fog light relay is only enabled when lights are ON.

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That's a nice looking vehicle, and great job on the lights.

Too bad IL requires a front plate. The cars look so much nicer without them

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I will second that the headlights look great. We need to do the same job on our 99
I did it on my Tahoe and I did not clear coat it now it is time to do it again. It lasted a little over a year.

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Thanks. I have not clear coated either set of headlights. I wet sand by hand with 220, 800, and 2000 grit. Then I use the Harbor Freight headlight polisher. Just the foam one, the sandpaper on the drill seems very bad. Takes well less than an hour.

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Look for something that is polycarbonate safe or plastic safe and UV resistant. There are specific headlight coating products available.

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As I mentioned I had to grind off the right front bolt on he passenger seat. I pulled the carpet away, and attacked with a torch, PB blaster, and small vise grips.


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That answers someones question as to where one of the hidden VIN numbers are located.

You are getting lots of practice in removing broken fasteners. You should invest in a gallon can of KROIL, it is only sold by the gallon.

Most rusted fasteners that will break off when removal is attempted with ratchet or breaker bar will come out without breaking if you use an impact wrench.

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One other thing about the car. We overfilled the oil at the last change. Didn't​ worry about it too much. 400 plus miles later, it is still over full and the oil still looks clean on the dipstick.

My younger son got his first SC2 lessons tonight. He had driven the '99 SL2 a couple times prior.

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You can get away with oil at the first L on full after sitting overnight with no issues.

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